Would you like Hamilton at Ferrari?

Especially the last bit LOL

 

Ham at Ferrari may help, but as a team, they have forgotten how to win.

 

I just think Ferrari isn't the right environment for Hamilton now that he has tasted the Mercedes efficiency.

Maybe someone else will turn up and bring the Scuderia back to winning circles, but so far, neither Alonso, nor Vettel have managed that.

Both were previous WDCs, and top drivers with plenty of hope when they joined.

I really cannot say if 2019 will be better. I think Vettel will leave or bow out at the end of next season if his fortune doesn't improve.

 

Probably all very true. And sad.

MS and his dream team was the pinnacle of Ferrari and then they got all disbanded. Feels like the Chicago Bulls of the nineties.

Kimi's title was a fluke, gifted/enforced by the powers that be. And even if one believes that it was real, it was just one event.

As you said, at this point it takes more than just the best driver to get them on top again. It is a team sport and the team is not the best.

 

For the haters

 

Doesn’t suit him, he isn’t worthy


Forza Ferrari..... the only racing team and car marque that matters. Italia forever It’s easier to apologise than it is to ask permission

 

Haha.....you're going to give some a heart attack around here! I love it!

 

Where's the Tommy Hilfiger logo?

 

I’ve had three heart attacks, it’d take more than Elton in a fake photo to bring one on I guarantee it, heart attacks are brought on by shock or horror, none of us is stupid enough to think ferrari would lower their standards and hire such an *******, so no one will be shocked

 

Sid, I think I know the cause of your heart attacks by looking at your avatar.

 

I didn't think anyone would take my heart attack statement literally, but low and behold, here you are. Can't say I'm too surprised.

And what you go on to say afterward may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on F-Chat. I have news for you, Ferrari would jump at the chance to get Lewis at Ferrari, as would any other team in Formula 1. He is the most sought after driver on the grid. Yeah, we're all stupid to think that Ferrari would "lower" their standards to get a 5-times WDC in his prime.

You have made it quite clear to me that all you are is a troll. Your suggestion to put you on ignore is the only intelligent thing I've heard come out of you, and I will take that suggestion.

I wish you well.

 

Please, show me where Elton or ferrari ever stated they were interested in him.. that’s right, they never have been, and Elton himself stated last year that they HAVE NEVER discussed a drive with him, nor shown any interest. That’s the end of the matter, I’m correct, they don’t want him, unfortunately for you. He’ll never be in red unless he buys himself a suit

The definition of trolling is more like stating that you are publishing a photo, say of Elton in a ferrari race suit, with the statement that you want to give people heart attacks on this site. Trolling certainly isn’t when someone has a little fun at the expense of such a person who posts such an offensive picture

 

Ferrari can't afford two top drivers at the moment, and Lewis has shown no (public) interest in them, as far as my research goes.

But, after reading your posts all over this sub, featuring prominently in the Lewis hate threads, you have me curious.

So you would rather your chosen team lose for.....reasons? If signing Lewis guaranteed Ferrari a championship, you are saying they would reject the idea?

I honestly really don't get why you hate the guy. Sure he trashes Ferrari on the track, but Kimi and Vettel seem to like him fine. Kimi even invited him to his 4oth.

If he lost constantly, I could see a reason for your scorn or hate. We get it, the guy is arrogant, posts empty blase platitudes on social media and hangs out with trashy glitterati. He wears questionable clothing and sports unorthodox hair.

But he wins races. When it comes down to it, he wins.

Did he have the best car? Sometimes yes. Even often. So did others.

But this is a guy that sometimes loses up to 10 pounds in a race. He is an athlete in every sense of the word.

I did some reading up on Rosberg, and what stood out to me the preparation he had to do to beat Lewis, sometimes going with out food for extended periods of time. By his own admission Lewis did better during races, but he could out qualify him and stay in front if he worked himself to the bone. And he did, and took the 2016 Championship. And promptly retired, because he didn't want to go through the rigorous training again.

And just as aside, for all your blind love of Ferrari, your infatuation with class, it seems you yourself may have strayed for its roots and been blinded by recent mystique.

Enzo hated selling cars. He loved racing. Car sales was simply a means to fund his racing team. His love of racing consumed his life.

He started his racing career in 1919, and managed Alfa Romeos team up until the 30's. Racing was in his blood.

Ford offered to buy Ferrari in the early 1960's. Enzo was willing to sell. The deal fell through when he found out that Ford wanted control his racing division. He didn't care about the cars, he only cared about the racing. Why do you think he sold 50% of Ferrari to Fiat decades ago? His only stipulation was, again, full control of the racing division

So if Enzo were alive today, you honestly believe that he would turn down a consistent winner because of.... class? Because of (perceived) poor character? All outside crap that doesn't matter?

Seriously?

There is no mystique without winning.

No matter how it gets done, winners win, and losers complain.

You can cast aspersions about character, class, demeanor or whatever silly criteria that you deem important. Enzo would have hired Hamilton without a second thought.

If you actually really understood the real Enzo Ferrari mythos, not some new manufactured class bulls**t that brand snobs like to parrot, you would understand that winning is everything, no matter how it gets done.

 

I’m terribly sorry, now that I see your point, I’ll abandon what I know and think the same as you

Of course I won’t. I’ve met Elton, I’ve spoken about him with people on his team at the time with McLaren, I’ve spoken with people at Mercedes. I’ve heard all the gossip and the real information within the paddock. I don’t like him at all, it doesn’t mean much, and it certainly should not offend anyone. I’ve never said he’s not a fast and capable driver, but I do not see why his wild eyed fans here think he is some sort of god.

He has been able to win championships when he has had the fastest car under him...... big whoop. So did Vettel, so did Rosberg, as did even humble jenson button who even himself admitted he wasn’t the best driver on the grid.

IF he won in a substandard car like Senna or Schumi, maybe then I’d see what you guys see. Until then, I won’t, and I don’t want to to see him at Ferrari. The thread posed the question, and I’ve answered. Just because you don’t agree with MY answer doesn’t mean I have to get barracked and hassled by his fans as I do. I am attacked constantly on this site, you guys keep poking and asking my opinion, then when I give it, you make out I’m some sort of ogre.

I’ve been as close to the F1 teams as most here, if not closer. I have family working within the Scuderia, I know personally some of Ron Dennis’s family, I recently sold a number plate to someone very high up at AMGin Brackley after a dinner party with some pretty well known people in the team. My opinion of Elton is formed through all of these contacts and conversations, and Enzo, just so you know, would not have entertained a driver that thought he was bigger than the team at Ferrari, and that’s a commonly known fact. All this about Enzo caring about the cars and winning is right, but he also knew that Ferrari was the most important factor, and a driver that constantly took the credit when it’s right, and moans and whines about the team failing when it doesn’t, would not last five minutes with him.

Schumi was the consummate champion, he won, yes, and was arrogant on track, yes, but he valued every single member of his team, he acknowledged them, he knew their names, their wives, their children. He worked tirelessly to achieve FOR THE TEAM, and when they faltered he was their most staunch defender, this is why he is revered.

The FIA have changed the number of races, increased the number of points available, and cars themselves are now more reliable, so drivers accumulate more wins, poles and points than they ever could in schumi’s day. The lack of development, lack of testing, means that a dominant car in 2014 is still the dominant car in 2018, suffering only a few races where they simply didn’t understand how to set the damn thing up, and of course, the use of a few dubious parts.

It’s quite obvious that the driver of the Mercedes will win the majority of races it enters, and as such, elton isn’t even fighting to be their chosen winner anymore, bottles is a subservient number two entirely. Nothing wrong with having a team built on that basis, a team should always put their best driver first. This does mean, though, that fans should not allow themselves to be hoodwinked into thinking that just because a driver wins lots, he is miraculously the second coming of Christ. It’s far more of an achievement for Ricciardo or Max to win than any of Elton’s wins this year, they’ve had to take advantage of situations with a car very often far less capable than the Mercedes. The Mercedes by comparison SHOULD win most races, so when it doesn’t, you should be questioning that, and looking to Elton’s reaction to it, it’s rarely very pretty.

If certain people here didn’t keep trying to tear apart any comment I make, then I wouldn’t need to post in my own defence. There seems to be no actual discussion points with certain guys here, they simply attack and make ridiculous claims, and if people don’t respond and explain properly, people looking in will think that those that frequent fchat are all of the same opinions. I still find it really strange that fans of Elton would clearly prefer to come to a majority ferrari site to create arguments trying to change minds that it is extremely unlikely could ever happen when they could be in more friendly surroundings comparing notes on how great their favorite driver is. I’m a ferrari fan, so I spend time on a ferrari site, and there should be no surprises I like to talk ferrari and have little time for our enemies on track. If I don’t want to recognise Elton as a great, then that is my right

 

Darn good question! Never really thought of Hamilton driving at Ferrari. Personally I don't care for Hamilton, maybe because he's been out driving the Ferrari team and has a little bit of an attitude, but I would think he would be better than Leclerc. Anybody know about this Leclerc guy, I just got into F1 this season and when I heard that he was going to be replacing Kimi, I thought why?

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Vettel dominated when he had the best car, so he is at least as good as Elton in that regard, so ferrari decided to keep the faith with him, as if everything actually comes together car wise, he can lead the drivers. Leclerc won consequentively GP3 and F2 titles, and in his rookie year at Sauber, has outdriven his more experienced teammate, and gotten some good results despite the car being less than stellar. He is a very good prospect for the future, so ferrari are clearly gearing up for a change of the guard in the future, much like Max coming to red bull for the future there (although their car isn’t what it could be engine wise, maybe next year if Honda make a big step, we’ll see his true potential too)

 

Thanks. Like I said being new in F1, I don't know all the intricacies and details that led up to the point that we are at right now, I appreciate the clarification.

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Is that a pumpkin in a haloween costum?

 

..cause he's that good!

 

Thanks, like I said I'm new to the sport having transition over from the NFL after getting tired of it becoming so political. I keep watching Leclerc, since I heard about him replacing Kimi, and I seldom see him in the top 5, or maybe even top 10, on finishing since I started watching about halfway through the season, that's why I had this big question mark as to why Ferrari thought he was that good. We have a lot of people here that know a hell of a lot more than I do about racing so I'll just shut up for a while and read and learn

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I hope F1 politics do not soon sour you.

But I completely understand. I too am done with the NFL. Many other pursuits to occupy my time.

 

Yeah not change direction of the subject on this string but I had just had it with that group. And they showed their colors so I don't even care if they suddenly see the light and stop the foolishness. I've already done the damage I doubt I'll watch them again.

And the good thing about that whole NFL debacle was the fact that it put me into a new sports arena... F1. Something I've always been interested in and now that I'm seriously thinking about purchasing a Ferrari in the near future, everything's coming together nicely in this new Arena. Funny, everybody in my wife's family can't understand why I'm not into NASCAR, LOL! Sorry, I think we're getting off the Hamilton theme.

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"Schumi was the consummate champion, he won, yes, and was arrogant on track, yes, but he valued every single member of his team, he acknowledged them, he knew their names, their wives, their children. He worked tirelessly to achieve FOR THE TEAM, and when they faltered he was their most staunch defender, this is why he is revered. "

Well said there Sid