488 Pista - qualifying demands

I predict that the new generation of super cars replacing the 720S, 488 Pista, Performante, will represent a fundamental leap forward on every level. New power trains, advanced technology, more than simply evolutionary styling, etc. All the current models including the Pista will become plentiful on the used market and at significantly reduced prices.

 

I'm looking forward to that
In the mean time I spend my money differently.

 

Essentially refined and highly advanced versions of P1, 918, LaFerrari, but at current super car prices.

 

I really can't help but noticing one thing, noone1. First, I never understood why many people commented on you not owning a car, when you simply commented on so many cars. I even told you that to ignore others and having cars does not mean anything, remember? Then when I saw you commented on how Chinese do not ever personally import exotic cars, and asked you how many of top 1% of the Chinese people, i.e. 14 millions, you know personally and have observed not importing exotics, you go completely silent. You then go onto another thread talking Chinese and Russian economy.

Now you talk about EV cars as if you are an expert again like you did with Chinese economy. I must ask you. Do you ever have had a EV car? If yes, please let people know because now I agree that your post add no substance to the most of threads you commented on.

Are you a sophisticated troll that does not even realize you are a troll?

Okay, now I am off the soap box and back to Pista!

 

Agree, instant torque with hybrid technology. The Aventador replacement looks like the Terzo Millennio design and will be lightning fast...new era.
I’ll stick with slow NA.


Sent from my 16M

 

iloveferrari- Only now have you come to the realization that noone is a poser who pretends to be an expert on everything. He probably is a teenage boy who sits in his room all day getting his information on google and then posting his search results.

 

Done right ( which I assume it will be ), can be the amalgam of the best of all worlds.

 

Or simply an unemployed uni graduate unable to get a job out of laziness and addiction to unemployment benefits - and the device which he is completely unable to detach from. The Japanese use a term hikikomori for the condition.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23182523

 

To each his own, but for me, unassisted naturally aspirated cars will always be held in high regard especially when they are no longer available to order. Without the heart and soul it will have all the excitement of a passion of an electric toothbrush.

Ever watch or try to watch Formula E? Is this the future? No thanks.

https://www.complex.com/sports/2013/11/renault-formula-e-testing-video



Remember, it is government mandates driving the move to zero emissions, not many customers will care or pay for the results thereof for that is my prediction...

For instance, if the only differences between a Tesla speedster and a Ferrari is the carriage and build quality and maybe suspension, who would pay for that? If same powertrain, why buy the Ferrari? For the name only? I am very concerned for their future if they go all electric.

 

Yes, that's why I finally decided to call him out.

 

The only super cars that are currently NA are the Huracan, Aventador and the F12. Yet Ferrari, Porsche and McLaren enthusiasts have little aversion to purchasing 488, 720S, GT2/RS not to mention the lusting for the Pista. Furthermore, the prevailing view, with the exception of a small minority, is that every new model seems to supersede the performance of the previous one. I am confident that the forthcoming successors to the current crop of cars will not only objectively offer higher performance, but will be at least as engaging and compelling to drive. Time will tell.

 

Many Porsche models are without turbo...all the GT3s for instance

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-gt3-models/911-gt3/featuresandspecs/

GT2s by comparison are Turbo

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-gt2-rs/911-gt2-rs/featuresandspecs/

All McLarens since the 12c have been turbo, the 488 is turbo and has a considerably lower rev limit than the 458 and people notice that and there are more 488s for sale (only 3 full years of production) than all 5 years production of 458s (not including Speciale as it is rather different than standard)...

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=35331199&mdId=36302758&mkId=20014&page=1&perPage=20&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&showMore=true&sort=relevance&stkTypId=28881&yrId=58487&yrId=30031936&yrId=35797618&zc=20202

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=40083&mdId=48063&mkId=20014&page=1&perPage=20&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&showMore=true&sort=relevance&stkTypId=28881&yrId=27381&yrId=34923&yrId=39723&yrId=47272&yrId=51683&yrId=56007&zc=20202

and prices of 488s are dropping more quickly than expected and are nearing the same level as its predecessor...

Even the name 488 is misleading, up until then the model number had a direct connection to the block size, so you would think a 488 is 4.8L, but its not even 4L, so that alone is a change in the history starting with the 308 ...

Just the same, I am in most disagreement with the speculation that NA supercars will greatly lose their appeal due to release of cars that include electric assist or are simply full electric powertrains.

Look into why 4.0L is the "baseline" for so many of the current crop (hint: China)

the unfortunate government mandates are serving to reduce the aural pleasure and visceral excitement of the NA motors, but, I do not follow you that NA cars will greatly devalue for any reason specific to newer models with electric drivetrains...

(ps. F12 last year of production was 2017, now the 812 but I presume you just mis-typed)

 

I am not suggesting that NA engines are not desirable. I personally much prefer the sound and linearity of them compared to forced induction. But it is inevitable that eventually they will cease being manufactured.. Fortunately, they will still be available on the used market.However, I can assure you that the replacement for the 488 will be gobbled up by Ferrari enthusiasts with a long queue to get an allocation. The value of 488 and Pistas will drop precipitously. I seriously doubt that the 458 will not depreciate further as it has in the last few years. The same will undoubtedly happen to Huracans and Aventador, as well, when the new models appear. There will always be a demand for the NA cars on the used market but the majority of super car buyers will opt for the latest and the greatest.

 

Agree you will not be able to stop the drop on all these cars and, agree most super-car owners will opt for the later better performing car.
Only limited number cars held captive as a garage queen with zero mileage have chance of holding or appreciating in value over time. Better ways to invest IMHO. Cars are for driving and enjoying!

 

Or maybe, shocking as it may be, I just didn't check the post again or see it. Or I got sidetracked when posting. Who knows. I didn't realize you wanted a response so bad.

Perhaps it didn't dawn on you that I actually lived in China for a long time? Perhaps it didn't dawn on you that I might know extremely wealthy people who live in China? Perhaps I even know people who own and buy exotics in China?

When I moved to China, the first thing I did was investigate importing a car. Trust me, it's not easy or common for people to import exotics, let alone be paying double MSRP and then importing. Like I said, there's no benefit and the normal models aren't hard to get. Go to China yourself and find out. Go into the Ferrari dealer and tell them you're a new customer and ask how long it would be to get allocation for a new model car. Believe me, no Chinese customer is being told to wait 1-2 years for their cars...

Hell, you could buy a P1 at MSRP from the dealer long after they were sold out. You really think it's that hard to get allocations in China that you'd have to import one? It's not.

Go ahead, import a Pista from the US for double MSRP and then pay the same import tax LOL. Or, you know, just order your car from the Chinese dealer at MSRP.

 

I bet you got your first exotic when you were like 50 lol

 

Who exactly are you calling out? Maybe message Unotaz if you don't believe me. He's from Shanghai I think. Ask him about how all his friends are importing their Ferrari from the US to Shanghai...

 

Looks like I struck a nerve with the Hikikomori eh? I reckon I'm on the money!

Don't suppose by chance you've been to any good Chinese restaurants lately? or, all take outs haha..

 

Struck a nerve? No, I think you're just and old man with self-esteem issues and can't stand that you grew up slaving away in the traditional jobs of your era while young people today can make fortunes just typing on the computer a few hours a day.

You think your cars are the best and your feelings get absolutely wrecked when you realize that you spent like $1M on two cars that aren't the best. In fact, you hate that a McLaren dusts them both while being the pedestrian model. Your feelings are one with your car. Your car loses, you lose. Your car gets hurt, you get hurt. You think 2RS is in a league of its own, but really it's all tires. It frustrates you so much that the Pista is likely better than it in every single way.

So you come here to pick a fight with someone half your age but probably more than half your wealth. You think you're funny, but you're not. You hope that the Ferrari owners here got your back, but then you realize they often don't. So you lash out at them too and they think you're nuts. You make up stupid **** about McLarens stranding you in the middle of nowhere just because the 720S ****s all over your cars while still sporting Corsas.

Trust me, you don't got anyone's number, buddy.

 

No, definitely struck a nerve here I'm afraid haha.. enjoy tonight's home delivery! https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/survival-guide-for-hikikomori-for-when-their-parents-are-gone Note the average age is 33! I'm on the money!

 

Mate why dont you look at this video. He makes a lot of sense. Its the passion for many. I honestly think that isn't a part of your DNA. Its neither right or wrong but for the same reason you probably cant understand the reason why i built a new MR2 from TOYOTA spare parts and spend $100 K

 

You're pathetic, Shadow. Like truly, deeply, sadly a pathetic old man.

Can you get off my nuts already? It's like you're trolling yourself.

 

So trying to avoid all of the banter over which car is the "best" car; thankfully most of us are able to buy and own any or all of them if we please.

I do think that the '08 crash, and subsequent period of QE, has lead many educated persons into thinking this was real life, me being guilty of that at times. One of our companies builds luxury products, starting in 5MM range, and we have a wait list several years long. I will say, that between interest rates, and other market conditions, I'm seeing a shift based on inbound calls and conversations. I think the days of low depreciating Ferraris, is over, so that card, which we like to hold over other marques is gone. As the pricing has moved more upstream, the number of used buyers looking for 250M+ used cars is a pretty small pool. I think it was one thing when you didn't have much inventory due to not much building in 2008-2011, thus the used market was tight, people were just starting to open their wallets again, and prices were more "reasonable". I love Ferrari, but I hate that they IPO'd and come up with 15+ models in 5 years or whatever it is to keep the analysts googly eyed. Great time to be a used buyer in the next few years, thousands of cars to choose from. I want a 600lt, but my spec is 320+, and soon, when the 750lt is released, I can probably count on a 100k loss, instantly. Lots and lots of cars....not enough people like "us".

 

Usually when an animal is cornered it lashes and scratches out just like what you are doing here. Just remember at age 33 the recovery for Hikkikomori is stated to be 12 years - that is if you can get yourself started on a recovery program. Get help Mike.....for your own sakes man do it! You cant live like this forever my friend. Life is short enough as it is. Getting cranky isn't going to fix anything. Try and detach from the gadgets even if for 5 0r 10 minutes.....maybe throw it over the balcony into the bushes that way you go outside to recover it.

 

Personal attack. 2-day ban.

Continuing side-track of this thread. 30-day thread ban.