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  1. ken qv

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    What a shame if they end up missing a one off color combo repaint opportunity.
     
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  2. LC3929

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    Sorry for that. Yes, car should be done a) correctly to original specs and b) completely. Both is not the case.
     
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  3. LC3929

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    Really? I had in mind that 1120182 was the only LP400 originally painted in Nero Metallizzato but was it really the only full black car as well? This surprises me a little bit. But I didn't check my archive before posting. Guess what I'll instantly do...
    But I have no doubts that it's correct what you are saying.
     
  4. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    Indeed...
     
  5. cnpapa24

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    A Nero Metallizato LP400 would be magical!
     
  6. LC3929

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    Yes, absolutely! While black is basically not my preferred colour for the LP400, a completely restored, full black "Nero Metallizzato" 1120182 would be phantastic. I can hardly imagine a more attractive car.
     
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  7. geno berns

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    #25607 geno berns, Dec 2, 2018
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    Victor I own 1121008 and I fully intend to restore the car back to it’s original colors. Are there any other LP400s’ in Nero Metallizzaro? Were both 1120182 and 1121008 ordered by Mr Joumblat of Beirut Lebonon. All I know about my car is:
    1121008 is the 4th S1 according to the factory records
    nero metallizzato / nero pelle
    sold to Mr Joumblat – Beirut Lebonon
    delivery date 6th April 1978
     
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  8. joe sackey

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    #25608 joe sackey, Dec 3, 2018
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    It's possible that Symbolic may have actually painted it metallic black, and perhaps Bill simply hasn't made the distinction of metallic paint, either way, of course we all agree it should be correct, but it's always up to the owner.

    Using that image to pass judgement on Symbolic's work would be a mistake on your part firstly because the photo used by Symbolic is actually a random illustrative image which happens to be of Bruno D's LP400 in Austria, and secondly because the correct blackout treatment behind the rear 3/4 window is in effect as evidenced by color versions of the same image and others - see images below.

    The irony is, the image Symbolic has used was lifted from a galleria on my website where all these images from the car's 1994 shoot were given to me by the archive of the photographer who took them

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  9. joe sackey

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  10. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    Absolutely correct. And it even can be seen in the black/white version of the photo. No need for the color version of the photo to see it, a sharp eye is all you need...
    Waiting for further information about 1120182 which underwent a very quick painting process, like other cars did in the past. If this one was painted starting from bare metal?
     
  11. joe sackey

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    The clearer color photos are essential in clarifying that there was no paintwork mistake seen in the Ad car, and that in fact the car in the Ad is not 1120182 at all, both important points.

    As for the painting process, that's up to each car's owner, but I am not of the camp that believes that it should take years & years to paint these cars like some we know of in the past, working with a skilled & dedicated team, the full painting process can be completed to world-class Pebble Beach standard in less than a year.
     
  12. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    No, as I pointed out. Anyway, I initially was wrong.

    Yes. I agree.

    Yes. Body and paint can be completed in less than a year. Pebble Beach standard only if the body and paint process includes a body stripped to bare metal, followed by necessary repairs, all done by a bodyshop specialised in working with aluminium which is also experienced in preventing galvanic corrosion.

    As for 1120182, I hope that you are right that Symbolic painted it in Nero Metallizzato (hopefully in the correct shade which might not be easy to find).

    Wish you a nice week.
     
  13. joe sackey

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    This is an interesting topic, and the perspective you take depends on if the car is simply being repainted, or if the car is the subject of a full restoration.

    In addition to stripping and performing necessary repairs by a shop that is skilled in aluminum & galvanic corrosion (obviously), the pre-paint preparation stages of multi-layering and sanding are essential to the success and durability of the new paint's finish.

    It's worth noting that some of the later cars have zero or little corrosion and require little body repairs prior to pre-paint and painting, it all depends on the life the car has had, for example, if it has existed in 3 different liveries before, the delicate aluminum bodywork will have suffered some trauma. Conversely, my experience is the earlier cars require a more body repair work than the later cars, the further back you go the more this notion holds true, for example, when we restored our Miura SVs, the bodies required a lot of repairs even though the cars appeared to not have been involved in any accidents.

    In the last few years I have observed a number of shops paint Countachs where major components were actually left in the car to be damaged by the irreversible effects of sanding & painting, I've seen engine, suspension, wiring, lines, steering column etc that were left in place when in fact they could benefit from being removed, leaving just an unobstructed chassis & panels to be worked on.

    Additionally, many people repaint their Countachs without bothering to fully refinish the chassis or especially the cockpit of the car.

    Another thing I have observed is where the coach-builder doesn't bother to mask the doors fully and as a result they are painted on both sides including the intricate window pulleys on the inside door-panels, thus compromising the effective function of the manual windows upon re-assembly.

    I've also seen repaints or restorations that literally take years & years, to the point where by the time the body is finished, its time to reseal the engine and redo other components that are no longer fresh, it's better to have a planned concerted effort and finish a restoration in a year or two so everything is fresh and to the same standard.

    At the end of the day it is up to the owner to do whatever they like, but clearly there are many different ways to paint a Countach, some of them less ideal than others, but so far as the owner is happy and the car runs well, I say all is good.
     
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  14. LC3929

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    Good point. It also seems that the later cars, back in the days, generally were treated differently (better) than the earlier cars, although this "rule" does not apply to every single car.
     
  15. Ellagirl

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    nice 5000 -83 at Gullwing
     
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  16. joe sackey

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    Agreed.
     
  17. joe sackey

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    A giant full-scale Countach jigsaw puzzle for Christmas!

    Countach ZA9C00500ELA12696 with 17,000 miles (@ 28,000 kilometers).

    This is a 1984 Lamborghini Countach LP500S, significant because the LP500S is the very first production 5-liter engine put into the Countach, remember that the original prototype LP500 was so designated because the Countach was supposed to be a 5-liter concept, it took the factory 10 years to get there, and the LP500S is the car that scored that goal.

    I have a good copy of the free-and-clear Texas/USA Title in hand in the seller’s actual private-party name, and I’m authorized to sell.

    All the car’s components are present and in excellent condition, ready to be restored, some items have already been refurbished.

    The car was originally white (Bianco Polo Park) with a black (Nero) leather interior, and it comes with a wing.

    This is a great Countach opportunity for @ half the price of a nice running LP500S

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  18. ken qv

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    I don’t think it’s accurate to generalize so much about paint shops.. a custom shop a few miles from me has placed at Pebble Beach several times, and they don’t need a year to repaint a car. Not much has changed over time when it comes to painting a car correctly and it’s no secret how to do it..it’s a matter of your shop making it their priority and sticking to a schedule. If it regularly takes a year or more I would do some research and find somewhere else.
     
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  19. ken qv

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    This would be a fun one for someone!
     
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  21. joe sackey

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    I don't think anyone is generalizing about paint shops per se, but rather, making observations of the practices of some shops, images of which which have been posted here on FC.

    As far as timing, I agree, thats why I posted above "I am not of the camp that believes that it should take years & years to paint these cars like some we know of in the past, working with a skilled & dedicated team, the full painting process can be completed to world-class Pebble Beach standard in less than a year"
     
  22. dinonz308

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    If I had enough mechanical skill that would be an awesome hobby - I just don't think I could do it justice.
     
  23. joe sackey

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    There are a number of experts who could help you.
     
  24. V8Lambo

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    Great project for long and cold winter days [emoji106]
     
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  25. V8Lambo

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    Comes every car with a power antenna?
    I see some with and without [emoji2955]
     

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