Miura, the original supercar

#4808 is considered as "Historical Car" due to its exposure in 1981... modified or not, it was officialy released on Lamborghini factory stand… not the dealer/importer stand… and it is Matching Numbers : VIN/engine/Bertone number on cabin/louvers/all interior parts/rear grille/etc... so it is in the loop !

 

Are there any pictures of it on the Lamborghini stand?

 

Of course, how could I argue with you….

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That car is such an unsightly perversion of the original design that it's almost unrecognizable as a Miura and looks more like a kit car. Restoring it to this state would be an utter shame.

 

Thanks, Olivier. Please do not misinterpret my posts as me arguing with you. I know you are only the messenger. As others have said, that it was shown on the Lamborghini stand does not authenticate it as a Lamborghini conversion or make the conversion in any way Lamborghini official. I think this is preposterous to be honest. It has SV badges and it is clearly not an SV and also uses the wrong rear light lenses just for starters...... Yes, the whole think looks like a poorly done kit car down to having a misaligned Lamborghini badge on the tail.

 

You are too funny… here is how it will be but with different color…

I'm on the Wheel !

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So if that is how it is going to be it's not even going to be as it was on the Lamborghini stand, which is the justification being used for PS to restore this car in "a modified state." It doesn't have the front and rear spoilers, the Gotti wheels and a different bonnet vent.

 

Matching Numbers you said… isn'it !

 

To qualify for certification a car needs more than matching numbers.

 

If 4808 was a Ferrari it would not qualify or satisfy the criteria for a Classiche White book as a Car of Historic Interest.

 

I'm not Polo Storico sales representative, so I invite you to contact them for their rules and what they - as factory - decide what is eligible or not…

Lamborghini is not Ferrari… and vice versa !

 

What is the source of information that 4808 is being Polo Storico restored and certified in the modified state, but in a different colour, as pictured in post 17256?

 

I'm the source…

I sold it….

I'm accompagniing my client to Polo Storico as it is his choice

Owner decides what he wants… Don't you ?

 

Answering my own question. Lamborghini/Polo Storico are actually re-manufacturing 4.0 litre engines or outsourcing them.

 

Olivier, how does it feel to drive that car? I'm assuming that the chassis hasn't been reinforced. Do you notice the lower torsional stiffness?

You can certainly debate whether this car should be restored at Polo Storico or not. In the end, it will not be in its original form as it left the Lamborghini factory, nor in the form it was presented on the stand in 1981. It is therefore an additionally modified version.

Just a rhetorical question: What would your opinion be on this whole case if the owner were not your customer?

 

The Comity of Polo Storico has defined some rules to accept cars, I don't know these rules and I know also that for each specific "special cars" they deliberate the case of the car + if a "special one" has to be considered in the history of the brand or not.

This is why I have written in an earlier post, that a Bertone car which was never displayed on a Lamborghini stand, may be also eligible…. a car not created by Bertone, nor by the factory but with factory parts (4808 had the 2x hoods supplied by factory) + made appearance on Lamborghini stand is also eligible.

Frankly, I brought another Miura which was burnt and is under rebuilt by Polo Sorico… it arrived with : engine is original and few body & frame items allowing to identifying its Bertone stamps… but overall the car represented xx% of the real one, so it was eligible for restoration.

I'm also bringing another "special one off" next week to Polo Storico… soon to be displayed in an exhibition...

 

It is tue that originaly , 4808 was not reinforced.

When I drove it for 5 laps at Spa Francorchamps back in 2008 when I co organised the 45th Anniverary of Lamborghini in Belgium, I was surprised yes by its flexibility in curves, but also dangerous by its reaction under severe braking.

At the end of the event, we had some troubles to fix the roof back to the car.

Then, the ex owner had the frame reinforced... on a barbecue roll, depointing underneath flat surface of frame and welding Inside the "box" XXXXX thicker metal parts to reinforced its stifness, but I have not driven it since !

 

Thanks.

 

The hoods were not modified by the factory and supplied in the state they were when on the Lamborghini stand.

 

Not modified…. I wrote supplied… and in the shape they are now...

 

Thank you. That is very interesting indeed. May I ask what proof you have that they were supplied by the Lamborghini factory in the shape they are in now?

 

The testimony of Mr André Zenari, recorded 3 weeks ago… the owner of the car when it was modified back in 1980... so it is quite incontestable !

Lambo Motors AG was official dealer, they were regularly travelling to the factory… they noticed the 2 spare hoods in Reparto Assistenza and asked if available for sale ?

The answer was yes

This is how the project of a Miura Targa evolved to that compilation of different style…

BTW, you are aware that SVJ modifications were made at factory… by "Reparto Assistenza"... but not only SVJ, the rear hood as well.

 

Thank you. I'm not trying to be difficult I assure you, but I would not say that the testimony of the former owner is incontestable. Something like a factory invoice for the hoods which proves they were supplied as they are on the car now is more what I was thinking of.

Are the hoods number stamped at all?

 

The hoods were supplied to Lambo Motors AG which has been closed for a long time by now… about 30 years ago, quite difficult to find Something relevant...

 

I see. Also I have not seen any factory SVJ Miuras with P400 tail lamps as this rear hood on 4808 initially had. They were later changed to the ones similar to the Maserati/Pantera/Fiat Dino style from memory. What tail lamps does 4808 have now?