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Yeah, some say ... 720s is a tricky case to match properly against its "declared" HP. ;-)
Frankly speaking, if Pista scores better on the racetrack than 720s, then "the facelift" or 488modificata should match the 720s on the race track, and with more grace than macca - why not?

 

I don't think folks should have High expectations since its a makeshift model until the real replacement arrives

 

and with all that said there is also a new GT model coming with styling that reminds us of the 1960's design elegance...
Plus it appears there will be an electric component on all the V8 + 6 cylinder sports car models going forward after FL.
For some conservative buyers this may make the FL series especially desirable...

 

Nobody wants a car slower than the Pista, but some will want one cheaper
People buying the Pista are buying exclusivity (allegedly restricted production number, high price); there is a market for people wanting performance and trying to avoid buying a 720S.
So I know what Ferrari needs to do...

 

I don’t think the BB has to be a lot faster - but just FEEL more urgent and responsive ....

 

I have one word for you "Torque"

 

Similar story to the last NA engined cars, last series of any good breed. In reality, the new generation are better cars in most areas. We regreted last NA V8 model, now will be the time to celebrate the last non_hybrid TT V8. Time goes on. If you buy one ferrari, you rarely don't want to buy the next one.

 

... management. Torque management . And highly praised and awarded Ferrari 488TT engine family is known for that.

And it is not a secret that BB will be hybrid (like most competition as well). A mild hybrid I wanna say.

 

Yes and no there were some people who didn't take the LaFerrari because of the electric component. Obviously there were many others who were very happy with what Ferrari created. However there is no electric component for the Monza SP series but no windshield either but that is another story. I can see a situation where you will have to pay a huge premium price to get a new Ferrari that doesn't have the electric component! Ferrari will become two levels; the modern cars and the Icona cars...

 

We are at the dawn of the new era really.
September news: https://www.motor1.com/news/266493/ferrari-reveals-roadmap-more-hybrids/

The paragraph about the engine sound made me think about ...electric turbos in ferraris?

 

Wait and see the future of Ferrari is bright... on of advantage of Ferrari is to offering different architecture of engine and development is in house and building by Ferrari himself. Just for that is plus value compared other competitors brand

 

Did you really expect hypercar technology in a rebodied 812? When mainstream models become hybrid, so will the Icona cars, which are just a coachwork job.
BTW, the hybrid element makes the LF a better car. Instantaneous throttle response, even at low revs, with the engine tuned for high RPM power. Best of both worlds!!!

 

Enzo Ferrari's words : "The engine is the soul of every car."
So we can be sure that the one of a kind Ferrari's soul will not go away.

And that is why LaFerrari sits still high above 'casual' V12 models with only ICE (812superfast, tdf)

 

Because the Pista is likely actually very close to the 720s on the same tires. If they make the FL match the 720s, than it pretty much will match the Pista.

That's too close for comfort imo. The FL likely had to get a much smaller bump in performance, or maybe none at all.

 

The 488 is faster than the Speciale in all metrics (including track lap times), that has not been an issue for the Speciale; the F430 was also faster than the CS (although Ferrari claimed similar Fiorano times for the CS and F430, no one could reasonably believe that).
Not matching the 720S with a revised 488 would be a failure IMHO, the Pista should not care because its selling point is exclusivity rather than performance.
The actual performance gap between the 488 GTB and 720S is not that huge anyway, looking for a lower increase would not really make sense.

 

That’s the one !

 

But isn't this a 1-2 year facelift? Those were actually replacements. People are saying this is just a brief facelift to extend the 488 shelf-life.

I'm assuming 10-20hp theoretical increase, refreshed bumpers, and see software changes. I'm not expecting Speciale to 488, or Scud to 458 levels of change.

 

10-20 hp would get unnoticed, so there'd be no point... there's some margin between significantly increasing the power (F430 and 488 were both 65 hp more than the previous VS, 490 to 425 and 670 to 605) and matching it (or hopefully, slightly exceeding it - which would be needed to match 720S's performance).
Ferrari cannot (or should not) let install the perception that they're going to be consistently outperformed by McLaren on their most popular model (and Mc is going to unveil a 750LT or whatever that will certainly raise the bar).

 

That being said, is the level of performance reaching a point of irrelevance? A 488 GTB is hardly slow, I drove one put my foot down and looked down 145 mph. Easy.

I wish Ferrari wouldn't keep following McLaren, let them do their own thing which at the moment appears to be the objective of making more and more visually challenging irrelevant track cars which will never actually see the track or cars with mighty top speed but nowhere to drive them at top speed.

Why not make something with 500 bhp, super short gearing in gears 1-3 to make the car exciting in the speeds people typically drive. Its always amazed me that Porsche makes superb cars but with the worst gear ratios for driving, super long gears which in some instance make changing gear superfluous.

 

Arms race or HP race or any other race. Its the nature of the human being. Performance will always be relevant even though we cant really use it. Do I mind - nope - getting used to the idea of 1000bhp in these cars

 

Yes!! That’s the word !

 

My opinion : simply a small facelift, same engine of the current 488 gtb

 

For the speeds that people typically drive I recommend a Mazda MX-5 (Miata), and it's only 160hp and you can actually enjoy the driving (180hp in 2019 version).