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348 Steering rack install

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  1. fdekeu

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  2. snowsports1

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    Hi is your car right or left hand drive? I removed my rack from my right hand drive car today and had to take the rack gear out to get it out, couldn’t find a way of removing it, took me all day!


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  3. fdekeu

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    Left hand
    It came out in one piece
    Just had to loosen the torsion bar on the left side
     
  4. Ferrarium

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    What happened with the original rack, why replace it? Did something break?
     
  5. fdekeu

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    I will have to investigate
     
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    The non drivers side is the problem
    The ball joint is OK but the part that it is attached too is loose from the cilinder
    What exactly is the problem is not clear to me at the moment
    I suppoose that it is repairable so I will keep it as a spare part
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    So the inner tie rod (the ball / socket par) is OK, but the shaft where it is attached to is loose? If that is the case, the rack is toast and it is throw-away.
     
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    Has anyone removed a right hand drive rack in one piece before?


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  10. Pangea

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    For interests sake mine is a 91 RHD and the part number on the rack is 37502245.
    Yes.
     
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    Is there a difference in rack gear lateral movement per pinion rotation between the two part numbers? Either on center or near the outer limits?
     
  12. fdekeu

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    I switched from the 'earlier' to the 'later' version
    No difference in steering feel
    So I suppose they are similar at least
    May disassemble the old one later this week
     
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    There are some extra mounting components on the later looking at this drawing. Looks like a support plate. Parts 9 to 12 are different. As for the rack itself who knows without testing the ratio etc. Cant find anything on that yet.

    https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/348-27-motronic/suspension-steering/steering-box-and-linkage-41192
     
  14. Wade

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    #14 Wade, Nov 4, 2018
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    Good point, plus the mount points are beefier on the later version.

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    Don’t know why my car proved impossible to remove the rack, I couldn’t get the splined piece out of the bulkhead, I had to undo the bolts holding the splined gear in and push it out. I have removed all my front suspension now so will refurb this and hopefully with more clearance reinstallation will be possible in one piece. Does the sway bar come out?! It also looks like it could be a challenge !


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    The rack is a challenging job because of clearance issues but it can be done. I get what you say though. The sway bar is a pig too. Scroll down this page about half way for my efforts. May be of some help to you.

    http://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?52489-Ferrari-348-engine-bay-and-rear-end-restoration/page13
     
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    Is that you Nick? You sold me this 348!! Been sorting out the rust and rebuilding the suspension, enjoying the car


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    Im afraid not Brian. Different Nick. I wouldn't sell you a rusty car.;)
     
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    Yes Wade. I thought the mounts looked different. My betting is the ratios are the same but the difference could fitting. Perhaps some one here has the answer.
     
  20. fdekeu

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    Brian,
    Get the a/c tube out of the way
    Loosen the sway bar and remove the support plate both sides, no need to remove it
    This way you can push the bar aside
    Look at the photo's in my post
    You need room to manouevre around
     
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    I installed a different version without problems
     
  22. Pangea

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    Sure. Im just wondering what those extra parts on the diagram are for exactly. Its described as a spacer on Eurospares. Whats the purpose exactly? I can only imagine its for levelling the rack to the body.
     
  23. snowsports1

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    Finally got my refurbed rack back into the car, however there is play (slight steering wheel turn required for rack to respond) is this normal?


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    #24 Ferrarium, Jan 4, 2019
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    Was looking for steering rack numbers and found this, perfect, I noticed open question so I'll address it for others.

    fdekeu, the issue is the inner bushing has disintegrated and is missing. This causes the rack attached to the inner tie rod to slop around in the mounting tube causing really poor steering and feel, it is more noticeable on the highway at speeds it can be unnerving actually, like not turning as you slowly turn the wheel then it finally reacts but overly so.

    The extra parts are a spacer and stud etc... for 1994 cars for certain chassis numbers. Not sure if that means this rack requires the spacer plate for older chassis too as well to line up correctly. The mounts look thinner but not sure if it is related the the steering rack or the body where it mounts. I think it is body related as it is needed for 355 racks and they likely changed the body a tad to fit stuff before the 355 was out.. JUST GUESSING...

    As a visual, the bushing (made one in Delrin in black below) goes where the pointer is pointing. The OEM one tends to disintegrate.

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    As far as delay is response from steering wheel, when the racks are rebuilt they rarely replace the pinion which can get worn. if that is grooved it can feel that what. not saying that's the issue just stating it can be a contributing factor.
     
  25. fdekeu

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    In my new rack there is also some play
    I can measure it if you like
     

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