ARRIVABENE LEAVING FERRARI...

Probably I´m in the minority here, but I liked Arrivabene. He had a non-BS attitude. With a better driver he would had the 2018 championship in the bag, and things would look different.

But I like Binotto more: he´s a car guy, he´s been grown in the team, and has the same eyewear than Forghieri. What could go wrong? The tech team has to regroup without him and he looks too kind to deal with bastards like Wolff, Horner and the guys at Liberty. Let´s see.

 

The Scuderia will be rejunevated for the next season.

Let's hope it can put up a proper fight !

 

2019 should stregthen the Scuderia now that Binotto is at the helm with Elkann backing and Mekies has taken Binotto's position.

Everyone sure had a poker face throughout the 2018 season at Ferrari, even after Marchionne's death. Now all this news makes sense.

 

Let's hope it can beat the crap out of Mercedes !

 

It's gonna be solid in 2020 if the current personnel holds. Curious to see what Binotto does to the Straregy dept. in 2019.

This change that is happening is an improvement IMO.

 

Umm.. I don't think I agree with that. Enzo would take bad news... but he expected answers as well as problems. if all you give him is good news you done have to provide answers... that is how the clique around Enzo worked. each one was pitted against each other... Enzo knew full well how the team was working - and his greatest concern during those days was to keep the doors open, and keep sponsor money coming in... Shell, Tires, etc... to pay for racing, and keep the factory afloat. if you look to 1974 - when Fiat put Montezemolo in there... and he went to Enzo ... they got things done. Enzo was very good at being a leader... but poor at getting rid of bad influences.. .he was very soft hearted .... a screamer and throw a tantrum... but then would keep you on regardless as long as you were loyal.

 

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Some Italian newspapers wrote that even Marchionne was unsatisfied with Arrivabene and didn't want to renew his contract. Maybe it's just speculation, but a usually well-informed journalist like Turrini (and one with a good relationship with SM) hasn't denied this conjecture

 

Hi Albert, what about the Simone Resta mid-season departure? Someone says he had a fight with Binotto, somebody else says he had a fight with Arrivabene...

 

I think Ferrari mellowed over the years. He was ruthless in the 50s and 60s, when Ferrari, the firm, was fighting for survival.
The way he treated drivers in the 50s is sufficiently documented. Some couldn't stand the heat and just left, refusing to be manipulated.
He became a bit more relaxed when FIAT started to shoulder some of the Financial risks.
In the early 60s, he was dictatorial and impulsive, and would fire anyone a short notice., creating an atmosphere of paranoia in his company.
The way he sacked precious collaborators following a trivial comment about his wife is typical.
Eugenio Dragoni who came after the 1961 palace revolution was threading very carefully when reporting to his boss, who initially was a friend!
But there were still fits of temper from the old man, witness the FIA licence surrendered in 1964 in protest, or John Surtess' departure at very short notice.
For good mesure, Dragoni was sacked at the end of the year for having provoked the situation.

 

I liked Arrivabene, but it's clear he was soft in handling issues. each week it was the same ****....A good attitude if stuff actually changes, but it never did.

Binotto has been with Ferrari a very long time....worked his way up through the ranks and was there even with Schumachers glorious years. I've no idea how much this situation has affected development for 2019 but lets hope it hasn't....Binotto could well be the guy that finally steers the ship to it's destination.

 

that's a 1962 Mauro Forghieri Picture: Binotto wasn't born yet.

ciao

 

Sorry But I have no info about that. My Source just told me "the fight between the two (Arrivabene and Binotto) during 2018 season, caused a big mess at the racing division and several disasters"

 

Dragoni was an irritant (being gentle here) to Surtees right from the start, as at Sebring in 1963.

 

From what I read, Dragoni prefered Italian drivers than British ones at the Scuderia.
He kept praising Lorenzo Bandini in his reports to his boss, and highlighted any incident involving Surtees or Parkes.
Surtees finally blew his top at Le Mans, when Dragoni sidelined him when he was supposed to take the start in the leading car.
That was contrary to the tactic decided with the Commandatore just a week before. Dragoni had decided that Scarfiotti should be in the leading car now.
Outraged, Surtees called his lawyer and headed straight to Italy to have a confrontation with Ferrari.
Surtees never revealed what was said, but his contract was terminated there and then. Ferrari thanked Dragoni by giving him the boot at the end of the year.
I remember it was a sad episode for Ferrari, widely reported in the press; imagine Vettel divorcing from the Scuderia mid season when in a dominating car. Unthinkable now !!!
Ferrari and Surtees both lost a certain WDC and WCC that year. Surtees' career was on the skids from that point.

 

Wouldn't the driver with a Kiwi on the helmet be New Zealander Chris Amon? If so, that photo would have to be late 60s.

Interesting opinion article by Will Buxton on the official F1 site: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.opinion-writing-was-on-the-wall-for-uncompromising-arrivabene.1ZZjBJCwI8umSouAssgEuE.html He describes Arrivabene's style as very dictatorial, bullying, and ruling by fear, where disagreement was not tolerated. After Marcionne's death Arrivabene tried to grab more power and control, leading to the showdown against Binotto for management. Buxton also says that Marcionne had planned to sack Arrivabene, realizing that his appointment had been a mistake, and while his death delayed the change, his wishes on the matter were known to Ferrari management.

Another article, this time on fchat's home site, discusses the F1 team's culture of fear and blame under Arrivabene: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-desperate-arrivabene-exit-binotto/4320508/

 

At Sebring in 1963, Surtees's maiden start for the Scuderia, he was paired with Scarfiotti, with Mairesse, Vacarella and Bandini in the sister 250P. Dragoni decreed that the Vacarella car would lead and take the victory, with Surtees following. Surtees was furious, as he was obviously the team leader, and as he told me at Goodwood in about 2010, "I never started a race I didn't intend to win." It gets better. Dragoni was so incensed that Surtees had disobeyed his orders, emphatically setting the tone for their relationship, that he protested the Surtees/Scarfiotti win! That's right. He told the official timers and scorers that their lap charts were wrong and that the team's lap charts showed that the one and two positions should be reversed. Fortunately John's wife Jane was keeping her own lap charts, which comported exactly with the official charts. Protest denied. This story was told by John at a drivers' symposium at Amelia Island and repeated to me personally in the paddock at Goodwood Revival. I wasn't about to tell John, "Stop! I've heard it before."

Coincidentally, this was the first race of any stature that I ever attended, which is what sparked my conversation with John. I was so thrilled by the spectacle that little did I know, or could even imagine, what was happening behind the scenes.

 

The wife comments were really that she was interfering with the team and the work- apparently she did not want anything wasted - and would routinely countermand designers directions etc...Enzo would not fight his wife - when they demanded that she be kept out of the business he fired them- then had a titanic battle with the wife & his mother.


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It does appear that arrivebene was a dictator and had marchionnes backing but seems that Vettle got to John Elkan and Piero ....who are Binotto fans - eventually it was that pressure that was put on Marchionne to replace arrivebene.... then his cancer reared up and it was put on hold.....

Source from in the team....


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Very important Italian sport newswpaper Gazzetta dello Sport says this morning that CEO Camilleri is in the rope: I hope they will get rid of the other cigarette seller too

https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/07-01-2019/formula-1-ferrari-che-verra-cosa-puo-cambiare-binotto-comando-320189446831.shtml

ciao

 

they say "And the permanence of Luigi Camilleri as CEO is strongly in doubt. In Ferrari it has changed in the last months and a lot could still change."

ciao

 

Well, forgive me for intruding here, but...from what I have read, it was slightly more complicated than that...
Yes indeed, Dragoni wanted Bandini to succeed, but it seems that the decision to get rid of Surtees has been taken by Enzo Ferrari himself (hardly surprising, knowing how the Scuderia worked) a few weeks earlier. Enzo Ferrari has grown, rightly or wrongly, suspicious of Surtees program with Lola (for which program, driving a Lola, he had a serious accident...); Enzo thought that Surtees had a good technical knowledge and information he learned at Ferrari and that this should not contribute Lola in any way, direct or indirect, and he decided that being a Ferrari driver implied that you couldn't drive for another, british team at the same time.
It seems that Enzo instructed Dragoni to find a way to put an end to this, and to get rid of Surtees, hence the rising pressure put on him. The decison to fire him was taken before the 1966 Belgian Grand Prix of Spa, and should have been made public jjust after the Grand Prix. The only trouble is that Surtess won it, so Enzo decided to delay the decision slightly further; the situation erupted for the Le Mans 24h, for which Surtees strongly disagreed with the pairing of the drivers.
But it has been planned a few weeks before, with the full consent of Enzo Ferrari; Dragoni was executing orders, so it was only a question of how and when.

Rgds

 

I cannot even imagine "how much" Piero Ferrari (Ferrari S.p.A. vice president) likes Camilleri and Arrivabene….

My Ferrari contatc friday told me: "How can Camilleri take a good decision about Ferrari product strategies, models, engines, powertrains and so on? he doesn't came from the automotive world: he probably doesn't even know what they are speaking about!"

He told me that very likely we had to expect some big changes, but I didn't imagine so quickly and so big

ciao

 

No Alberto, it is not 1962 but 1966, and at Monza:.it's Chris Amon at the right of Mauro Forghieri.

Rgds

 

Thanks, Bruno: but things don't change, as Binotto was born in 1969 and that shown is a young Mauro Forghieri (30 years old or a bit less).

ciao