250 Europa orioginality

Hi

I am trying to get this web page accurate https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/ferrari/250-europa.html

Any fitment, or pressure recommendations you have would be great. particularly with pictures.

Cheers chaps.

 

Oo I can easily get a bit lost in Ferrari Models.

Borrani https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/250-europa.html as being 1953-54 with a 5"X16 RW3077 which i think ties up with an early '50s car. Is this the one that is a 250 GT Europa? I think being an early '50s car also makes it a Lampredi engined car.

I looked at the models listed in back of ENzo magazine that seems to back that up.

However i have now looked at Wikipedia which lists a 250 Europa as being 1953. then listing the 250 GT Europa as being Colombo engined and being 8" shorter wheel base. I must say 15" wheels sounds odd for a car of that period. I shall do some more research and see what we can come up with.

 

Ha Ha

I have pumped Borrani for information and got this answer

Me "
Hi


I’m trying to clarify the 250 Europa Model. It seems there were 2 models:-


250 Europa 1953 Lampredi engine. Which apparently came with RW2924 which were 15” wheels (which seems odd for an early ‘50s car)


Then apparently the 250 GT Europa came out in 1954 with a Colombo engine which had a 8” shorter wheel base and I think this would have been 16” RW3077.


Could you clarify please"


Here's the reply i got
"Dougal,


as far as my experience in the past for the early cars … it could be Rw2841 4.50x15 or after a while Rw2924 5kx15

For the Colombo you’re correct those had 16” … more likely RW2977 4.50x16 and maybe later Rw3077


Only with chassis number we can be more correct … Ferrari did lots of weird stuff … flipping different wheels & tyres in the same vehicles.


Ciao,"

Which something we come across. the further back you go with small volume cars, specially if they might have been special bodied, there is more variety of wheel and tyres fitted. But the joy of Ferrari is we can find out what they fitted with chassis numbers.

interestingly if i look at one of my period insurance books it only lists the 250 Europa it doesn't mention the GT bit. but it says
1953 - 250 - 5.90X15 or 5.50X16 front and 6.00X16 rear
1954 - 250 6.40X15 or 6.00X16 & 250 Europa 7.40X15
1955 - 250 Europa 6.00X16
1956 - 250 Europa 6.00X16
1957 - 250 Gran Turismo 6.00X16
1958 - 250 Gran Turismo 6.00X16
Bit vague really but it does point to the fact that like you say the earlier cars were on 15" wheels.

Oo, just got a bit more input from Milan - Interestingly, although we currently list the RW3077 as the wheel for the 250 Europa. you are right, because the original drawing for this wheel wasn't drawn untill July 1954. so as you say it looks like RW3077 was the wheel for the 250 GT Europa. and the 1953 250 Europa would have fitted 15" wheels, which as you say and is corroborated by Borrani would have been RW2924 and possibly RW 2841.

I will adjust our page accordingly and let you know when it iis done.

 

Oh while i think on. If anyone has any pictures or build sheets to back these up that would be great

 

Hi John

Do you know if this picture is with a 7.10X15?

 

I can read the top one and that is a 6.70 R16 X it is a radial hence the R and the X is the favorite letter of the Michelin tread naming department. (they also now make a tread pattern called SX MXX3. which we think is an over zealous use of the letter X) being the nerd i am i would recognize the X tread pattern at 100 paces. I might have it tattooed on my bum.

I think the tyre in the picture below looks like a crossply tyre. but i don't recognize the tread.


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thank you for the pictures.

do you think those tyres were actually the tyres that the car left the factory on? or would they be a replacement set? I'm trying to work out if Stelvio were OE or the earlier Stella Bianca, which i am hoping to get my first delivery of today. https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/pirelli-collezione/pirelli-stella-bianca.html (not in that size though)

I agree Borrani's published literature isn't all encompassing. However when we do need accurate detail about what is the correct wheel they are actually brilliant. and using chassis numbers can find out what is correct. As i find out little gems like this we are updating our Borrani.com web site and our Longstone web site. so this page of the web site will soon have some content on it explaining the nuances of this specific model https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/250-pininfarina-coupe.html

As will this page https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/250-europa.html

And for instance i have updated this page now https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/ferrari/250-europa.html which should be more correct.

the one thing we do have difficulty with, is pictures of very early bespoke cars like this. so we have put 2 pictures at the bottom of that web page and guessed which is a Europa and which is a GT Europa. Have we got it right? Does anyone have any pictures they are happy for us to use? (if so could you clarify weather it is a GT or not)

 

Right that is the 250 PF page done.

https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/250-pininfarina-coupe.html

Please let me know any thoughts. And if you had any pictures that you thought might make that page more complete (build sheets car pictures specially period ones) they would be greatfully accepted