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What happens if LaFer battery goes flat?

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  1. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    The car will start as long as the 12V battery has charge, as the HY-KERS battery does not power the vital systems. Leaving the LaF unplugged for a prolonged period time endangers the health of the HY-KERS battery.
     
  2. schein609

    schein609 Karting

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    Cool, what I was looking for.
     
  3. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    1. Open engine cover;

    2. Apply money liberally;

    3. If dealer cannot locate fix, repeat step 2.
     
  4. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Total noob guess here but what if the car will start but the batteries are being damaged (i.e charge less/less power)?
     
  5. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    True.

    Spoke to our engineers who designed our FIA Championship Winning KERS system. The chemistry of the Hi KERS is different than Tesla's batteries for example. They meet Ferrari's hi expectations for size and output and if maintained exactly as directed will work well. If not their performance and longevity will be affected period.

    I would not subject them to any length of not being on a charger that Ferrari warns about.
    The resulting damage may be subtle but it will be quite real.

    Of course the car will start after 5 days. This has NO relation to potential Hi KERS damage.
     
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  6. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    If you leave your LaF unplugged for a long time, well one day you start it up and a warning appears "HV battery deteriorated Go to dealer".

    I would not take that risk and go beyond what Ferrari recommends, the Owners Manual explicitly states "Failure to do so may compromise the function and cause permanent damage to both batteries".
     
  7. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    and there is a reason it does state that as I posted.
     
  8. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    Indeed.
     
  9. RTB

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    Ditto!!
     
  10. jreedff

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    I know someone who's La Ferrari had been plugged in for months, unplugged it and closed the cap to charge it and it locked. Tried to start the car, car was dead. Couldn't open the charger hole b/c the car was locked. They sent Ferrari to service it the next day
     
  11. RTB

    RTB Formula 3

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    We'll it shouldn't be plugged in for months - it should be out there being driven!
     
  12. sagekilz

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    GET IT TO A DEALER!!!
     
  13. 4th_gear

    4th_gear F1 Rookie

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    Sometimes people plug their cars into their battery tenders... and then forget to supply power to the battery tender. This results in the reverse flow of current from the car's batteries to the battery charger, with predictable results.
     
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  14. Apatel219

    Apatel219 Rookie

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    My local dealer has a laferrari for sale and they were telling me the owner had to replace the hand made battery and cost him like 255,000 dollars the car had less than 200 miles on it.

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  15. Mike WMS

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    Old thread but I thought I share some info:
    My post here is not to advertise but to share my info.
    I work on many LaFerrari cars in Los Angeles area. Most unfortunately fall under dealer traps and end up spending $10k + $7000 in labor to replace the ion starter battery. Most cases the ion battery will have low voltage when cars are not plugged in. Towing cost and dealer starter battery replacement is outrageous but Ferrari does get every $1. What I normally do is travel or perform the service at my place by just simply charging the ion battery for a few hours. Not hard at all. Just lift the rear lid, charge from the main power supply connector and leave it until you see 12v. Once at 12v you can start the car and charge by torque braking a few times and a small drive around the block. It’s advised that you put the car on the battery conditioner right away. At this point once the 12v ion battery has charge, conditioner will start charging.
    Hope this helps those that are stuck with no power.

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  16. F60SA

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    The only way to release these brakes is to remove the 2 screws on the parking brake part of the caliper and once that is done replacement calipers are needed
     
  17. AClark

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    Thank you for the great write up!

    Question , what do you do when the Ion battery will not take a charge at all ?

    A
     
  18. Mike WMS

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    No problem at all.
    I had one case with an owner in SB that’s really hard on the car. We decided to use Braille carbon fiber 12v ion battery. It has been working great. No issues to report back and it was $1400 vs $10k.
    But In most cases I was able to charge the batteries. Other solution is factory.
     
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  19. GHG

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    There's a LaFerrari in Santa Barbara?
     
  20. Mike WMS

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    Yes : )
     
  21. Solid State

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    Not sure if the OP was concerned about the simple STARTER battery or the mega complex and custom HY-KERS voltage generator battery. The starter battery seems to be just a standard 12V L-Ion battery. The HY-KERS is whole different animal and not a simple or relatively inexpensive system.

    Here's the STARTER:

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    Here's the HY-KERS:

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    Good luck with any HYKERS issues. Maybe almost a pain in the butt to replace as the F12 battery!
     
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  22. Camlet1

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    I found this thread fascinating. Sorry to ask a silly question as I do not own a LaF. If the HYKERS batteries are so sensitive, do they ultimately need replacing at some point? Sounds horribly expensive?
     
  23. Red Sled

    Red Sled Formula Junior

    I second that question having not really ever got a clear answer from the various workshops I know. I know of one car in Italy which has had them replaced out of warranty due to recharging issues but that car had "only" 8k km. This, together with whether the charger restarts automatically after a power outage (when in storage for example) are the kind of questions that keep me on the fence on committing.
     
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  24. Camlet1

    Camlet1 Formula 3

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    Thanks. Hmmm. I guess the same applies to the P1 and 918? Think I’ll stick with my F50 and F40.
     
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  25. Solid State

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    No battery lasts the life of the car and I would think this is especially true with an investment hypercar that should be around for generations. Incidentally, the KERS battery currently lists for $156,381.45 at Scuderia not including shipping or installation. I do not know what the length of the OEM warrantee is but on these hybrids and full electrics IMO they should be covered for the life of the car. The batteries are the Achilles heels of the new generation power plants again IMO.
     

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