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  1. AceMaster

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    I was watching that when he dropped the F Bomb, and had to think hard if I really heard what he said.
     
  2. AceMaster

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    For OT, I think both teams should get the ball at least once...ie team A wins the toss and takes it down the field and either kicks a FG or TD (doesn't matter which), then team B gets the ball and can at least tie (or win with TD if team A scores FG only). This would make it exciting as team B would have to go for it on 4th down every time if team A scores any points on their first possession. After each team gets the ball, then next score wins it.
     
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    Realize that Sean McVay was 16 years old when Tom Brady went to his first Super Bowl?

    Also, as a high school quarterback, McVay led an Atlanta-area private school to a state football championship, so in a manner of speaking, the Super Bowl will be a bit of a homecoming.
     
  7. tomc

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  8. AceMaster

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    Believe it or not there is a rule where the commissioner can order the teams back on the field to replay the game from a point in the game where there was an obvious/blatant technical error. If ever that were to happen, this would be the time to do it, however you can bet the farm that it won’t happen
     
  9. tomc

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    Huh. Wonder if it's ever been enforced?
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  10. AceMaster

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    In all seriousness - this has been beaten to death, but my perspective on the that blown non call.

    Yes it was a brutal and inexcusable miss by the referees and the league...HOWEVER:

    1) the Saints could have buried the Rams in the first quarter when they kicked two field goals inside the 10 yard line of instead of scoring touchdowns. Remember one of them was a drop by the tight end that was in his hands momentarily but he couldn’t hang on when he landed on the ground

    2) after Ginn caught that deep ball on the 17 yard line, with less than 2 minutes to go in the game, the Rams has only 2 timeouts at that point. The Saints could have ran 3 times (sound familiar Atlanta in the SB vs NE)and made the Rams use both their timeouts and then run the clock down to about 50 seconds then kicked the go ahead FG which also would have taken about 5 seconds off the clock. Assuming the Rams don’t run the ball out of the end zone on the ensuing kick off that would leave about 45 seconds with no timeouts. I realize that is a lot of time still, but isn’t that better than 1:20 plus a timeout, which is what the Saints gave them by trying to pass the ball twice on that last series?

    3) Saints had the ball first in OT, they could have ended it, but instead turned the ball over.

    So, to clarify, the referees absolutely blew that. But the Saints had plenty of opportunity to not let it have the officials blow it for them.

    In all honesty I think it’s karma from the 2009 NFCCG vs Favre and the Vikings. For anyone who remembers that game (and to those that don’t) it was one of the worst officiated games that I can recall. Brett Favre was hammered all game below the knees yet there were no calls. That year they were emphasizing low hits to QB (except for that game obviously). There was a phantom PI in OT that favoured the Saints. There was a VERY questionable reversal of a 4th down Saints conversion in OT. In summary it looked rigged for NO to win that game. And bountygate was exposed shortly after that game. Isn’t it ironic that the Siants lost a game on an obvious missed personal foul call a few days ago, yet that’s how they won the NFCCG vs the Vikes 9 years ago (by personal foul calls not being called on them)?
     
  11. AceMaster

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    Never
     
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    My feeling is the NFL is really happy with the two teams they got in the SB.
     
  13. AceMaster

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    Here are some of those questionable calls in that 2009 NFCCG - skip to the :45 second mark

     
  14. AceMaster

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    Yes.

    Young Goff vs veteran Brady

    Young up and coming McVay vs Belichick

    Rematch of spy gate
     
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    The Pats are the team you love to hate or you love to love. They always draw big, and this may be Brady's last SB.

    The Rams are a team that needs more support in LA by its own fans who have not been terribly excited by the NFL return. Winning solves all problems.
     
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    People can whine all they want, but that OT drive was priceless. Even KC knew they were beat. Those of you who have played know it is the ultimate team sport. Players like Brady get the fame, but it was the NE OL that won the game.

    Again I think fantasy detracts from the game. I also don’t bet. I love watching the game played well. This is why the protest crap really turned me off. The 60s were over a long time ago. Given the money they are paid, can’t they just shut up and play?


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    If true, that's sad. Of course, if America's Team had been in the game - guaranteed ratings juggernaut! :)

    I also kind of wonder if that's a reflection of the announcer's. Pats-KC was on CBS, and had Tony Romo, who is popular.
    Wasn't the NO-LAR game on Fox w/ Joe Buck?

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    I've heard it and I've always thought it was dumb to not have just another quarter. Or at the very least, just make it 10 minutes.
     
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    Yep, the NCAA has it figured out, never understood why the NFL doesn't follow this protocol.

    Also, why not extend video review to possible PI plays? These kids are getting so much faster it's getting harder and harder to see and interpret all that's going on.
     
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    I think this would be a very bad idea. They already have replay for other things and still can't get them right.

    In my opinion, they should get rid of replay and just accept the fact that there will always be human error. That's part of the game. The problem with replay is that it makes the situation worse because everyone now expects a PERFECT game to be officiated. With and without replay, they cannot get everything right.

    I suppose you could make a case for replay ONLY for scoring plays and fumbles - and that's it - leave everything else to the judgement of the humans on the field. Otherwise, why not review every play and simply have the game officiated by instant replay.

    But, I still stand by scrapping it altogether - I've been watching NFL since the early 80's, and I recall how much better the game was when the call on the field the FIRST time stood and there was a brief uproar if it was controversial but shortly after it everyone moved on and they forgot about it. That's the way it should be. Now they spend 2 minutes on each replay and half the time it's still the wrong call.
     
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    Yup, but we didn't have sky cams, super slo mo instant replay, and multiple camera angles back then. We also didn't have the plethora of new (and, arguably, "safer") rules surrounding H2H contact, QB pass rush "restraint" , etc to officiate.

    I dunno...maybe more refs on the field.

    End of the day, it's harder than ever to "accept" a bad call when everyone in the stadium (and remote viewers), thanks to the tech, is able to see the miss.
     
  23. AceMaster

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    That's exactly my point. The replay raises everyone's expectations, which raises the anger level when the call is still wrong after replay.

    The play in the Saints-Rams game did not require replay, so that is not part of this discussion. They're trying to tell me of the 6 or 7 officials on the field, not one saw that? For the guy that missed it, one (or a few) should have come over and had a group discussion and made the right call. We don't care about a late call as long as it is the right call.
     
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    I'm OK w/ your first proposal. Adding judgement calls will further slow down the game. Call me old-fashioned, let the refs call them like they seem them. If it goes against your team, too bad. If it goes against my team, well then that's a travesty! :D
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  25. tomc

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    I just re-watched the last few mins. From what I can see, refs never huddled. I will also say that re-watching the last 3 mins or so of the game. Saints made some questionable calls there, as Ace alluded to above. The pass on 1st down should have never happened. Give the ball to Kamara or Ingram three times.
    Get a 1st down, or kick the field goal. Also, they had to burn one of the TOs when they seemed to be confused pre-snap on one of the plays in that sequence. Odd stuff for sure...T
     

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