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  1. BOKE

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    I love Studebakers but my weakness is Hudson Hornets. An HH would make a great Hot Rod.

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    The car owner I go to Bonneville with? His Baja car is a Hornet.
     
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    Might not humor MN winters much, but doesn't sound too high-strung, otherwise, and figure there's enough torque that you're always in the right gear runnin' around town. Might have to split time w/this one soon enough, though ...?

     
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    I cant find it in any of the pictures but there are a couple of other Hudsons and some other neat stuff in here.It his shop.

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    Carrera Panamericana car? Dig the bullet nose, too!
     
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    Oh we agree, I like all cars, unlike others I also have no negative views on plastic kit cars. To me it’s all enthusiasts and people I to cars.

    I am just expressing my personal likes. I think I’m the past cars (like weapons) were each a product of their culture and environment. Whereas today tho ha are all homogised. Therefore in a Restomod for me I like to keep the essence of the machine. A jag should have a jag motor and a jag ride no matter how upgraded they are.

    A rod is quintessentially American machine and there is a history of a wide latitude of art. I do have issues with in the 21st century tearing apart an otherwise sound and complete model A to make a rod iwjre there are so many alternatives. But that’s a different issue and debate also with its grey areas.

    There are no rules just preferences.

    Personally in my world I’m looking at a Resto chopped 48 caddy with a Nelson racing 1500 hp tr sbc.

    If it were a jag I was doing it would be a v12 with itb’s. The essence remains intact,
    Each of us has their own interpretation and that’s cool
     
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    Toys for every occasion.

    The polished Cobra has a cammer motor in it. Everything but the stripe is either chrome or polished alloy.
     
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    Sharp car (and over 6ft. of timing chain!)!
     
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    The Yellowstone tour bus has a 427 BBC.

    The Roadster show billbord is an interesting story. He won that year with the roadster in the pictures. He called the billboard co and told them he wanted to buy it. They said "you dont understand, its just paper, like wall paper". He said, "no, you don't understand, I want to buy the whole F'n thing". They took one down and dropped it off.
     
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    This was my go-to guy, Mike Fennel. We lost Fennel suddenly about seven years ago. The shop and all of his stuff were auctioned off. Totally legit guy.

    Fennel was a legend in SoCal.

     
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    I had always read that the studebaker 289 v8 was a work of art. And is the hudson 6 not well regarded?
     
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    I know the Studebaker engines pretty intimately. Works of art are not words I'd use. They are nearly carbon copies of early Cad OHV V8's. Very heavy and quite strong but the heads are not a good design. The factory R3 and R4 heads were pretty good but very rare. Literally low double digit ever produced for either. Also like most orphan engines everything you want to do will be custom one off work. Dollar per HP is a bad deal with them.

    One of the problems with all of these things is they are remembered far more grandly and bigger than life than they are capable of living up to.
     
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    What Brian said about orphan engines.

    What would you like to know about Oldsmobile 394 Ultra High Compression Rocket V8 engines?

    I can say never again for me. Same goes for Ford flatheads, they are cool but just aren't worth the effort. Flatheads hate Las Vegas summers ask me how I know.
     
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    There is a class at Bonneville for Flathead powered cars. Those guys spend cubic money trying to make power and stay in one piece.

    Another motor best put on a stand for display. I do like some period motors but you need to be practical. 409s and 392 Chryslers look cool and make quite a bit of power as much because they are big as anything. If 400 is enough for you great. If not get an LS. Best American engine ever made and I am not a GM guy.
     
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    Just discovered this thread, read the whole enchilada. Wow!

    I love the idea of both resto-mods and replicars.

    Where do you draw the line? Wherever the hell you want to, but I think we can all agree that putting a Ford motor in a 250 GTO would be out of bounds these days. :)

    My personal quest is to get a Superformance GT40 with a fuel injected aluminum small block of modest displacement and tuning. I would want something as tractable as possible for such a car, given the mission statement, as I would like to, you know, actually enjoy driving it. COTA is exactly an hour from my driveway, so I'd like something that wouldn't be a torture chamber to drive there and back for low key track days.

    So many reasons to prefer a replicar over an original in this case: Modern aluminum block motor, easy care with the fuel injection, much better brakes, wheels, and tires... and AC. Plus LHD and the shifter in the center. I wouldn't even want it to look anything like an original. No garish period livery - sorry - I would much prefer that people look at it and think, "meh, POS replicar."

    It was my favorite Matchbox Car when I was a kid, but I don't want the blue and white anymore; I think black is perfect for this car. This is as close as I've seen to what I'd want.

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    To the OP, figure out what your needs and wants are, and then get the car you want, and set it up the way you want it. Don't mind the naysayers. :D
     
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    I agree on all but will interject. Leave the specific special cars alone, the rest are fair game. Too many to all go to museums and most will get recycled anyway given enough time. Plain jane versions of most of what we are talking about are plentiful, cheap and rotting away anyway.

    And yea, Repliphobia is just that. A phobia.
     
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    The Superformance GT40 is a "Continuation-Rod". It's a car.;)

    A car is a car is a car is a car. :D
     
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    Memories. My second car as high school senior (75/76) was a 1959 Olds Super 88, the 4-door version of this, same color scheme as well. I put low-profile tires on and it may have been one of the first low-riders in central CT.

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    Wade,
    Please share the story of that beautiful whale and your lo lo cruising in the Constitution State. I visited family in Hartford in those years and I have no memories of Connecticut lo los.
     
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    Ive done the superformance GT40 thing, with a 575 hp really worked 302.. Its not what you think. Pm me if you want and Ill fill you in.
     
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    Im not a lover of the SBC, yes the price and weight is good, and yes today they make great power, but the rod ratios are not great and corrospondingly theyre not great reve'rs. I much prefer the fords, which have better rod ratios and internaly balanced cranks . On Big blocks 454's are great as are the Fe fords. Kinda seems sacrilidge when a 351 gets worked into a quasi 427. But most of these long stroke motors just get lugged around in a cruise.

    Today for pushrod v8s' you can get such great cranks rods, and the heads are so good huge power is available, dart blocks can absorb mega power. Its all a function of what one wants to spend. Suffice it to say for most applications you're runing the risk of having way too much power. For sure you can make more power with a chevy and it'l cost less. Still for me ford is the way to go, considering most rods are ford inspired yet another reason.

    Flatheads have a unique sound, and many people are obsessed with the what if, as in how much power can I make with a flathead.

    Orphan motors, well the 500 cu caddy I always thought was exeptionaly smooth, and by iron block standards not that heavy. But go find parts for one.
     

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