Not so sure about that But the FL's HP numbers will probably leave Pista owners a little shortchanged for what they paid
I would think the facelift car would be more like the regular 488. More comfy/less track focused. I'm betting just nose/tail mods with the doors the same and the higher output motor. It's just supposed to cover until the REAL 488 replacement comes out.
So this is almost exactly what Lambo did with Evo (vs Performante). Don't know how that's going to work out. Interesting to see what happens with Pista. Probably won't hurt too much, but the price point of the FL will be key...
It could go either way. The facelift car could be desirable or forgettable. Obviously I hope it's great, but we won't know until we see it. Putting out a third car on the 458/488 platform is risky. Why wouldn't buyers rather wait for the V6 turbo-hybrid that is the real new platform model? Maybe to have the last V8 non-hybrid turbo, but I don't think that the demand for the facelift car is a sure thing. It will be interesting, that's for sure.
Sometimes FerrariChat cracks me up. Ferrari values are in trouble in the future... people are going to run out of things to be the "last of" Last of the V8 non-hybrid turbos? Not only would that be highly unlikely since no one has ever really ever cared about turbo engines, but it's also technically not even true since the Portofino and Lusso came after it and also use the V8 TT. I believe what will happen is instead of 488 sales falling off a cliff due to what the competition would be like over the next few years, the face lift will reinvigorate sales a bit. The side-effect of that though will be plummeting residuals on 488s since not only will a lot of people be willing to wait for the real replacement or the new rear-mid flagship, but the ones who need a Ferrari right this moment definitely won't be looking at used 488s.
Oh, and I believe people are ignoring what the new rear-mid flagship will do to the 488 replacement. Think about it: A ton of people who can afford very expensive, flagship Ferraris often still bought the V8 because it was really the only rear-mid sports car from Ferrari aside from the once-a-decade halo cars. Even though they are higher in the food chain and can afford more, there was only one option if you wanted the non-GT, exotic looking Ferrari. You can afford $600K? Sorry, but we only have a $300K car right now. That won't be true anymore. A lot of those $300K car buyers are just going to move up to $600K. They can afford both, both will be similar types of cars, just one will be way better, more exclusive, and more exotic. So what's going to happen to the sales volume of the $300K car? It's going to go down with less demand.
If there is a 488FL with circa 720 hp, one thing for sure is base pricing will increase to something more inline with Pista. Ferrari has already announced that there will be significant price increases. They are probably expecting reduced sales per model as a result but more model options across the range so one would think that should help towards the overall sales number which would be inline with their “exclusivity” objective. Also, one would expect if the 488FL price increases significantly that should not worsen the depreciation on the 488....guess time will tell...
I would think regular 488's would see even more pressure on pricing as current 488 owners may want to switch to FL and others want out before hit becomes too much. Even with FL price increase, it may cause 488 depreciation pace to increase. Let's see what happens...a lot rides on FL pricing IMHO.
On the money, if the price of the FL goes up considerable( will as ive been told ) , im guessing 10 - 15% it wont worsen the depreciation on the 488
IMO - FL will see a bump in pricing but not a match to Pista plus the 488 will continue to slide steadily but not a waterfall kind of drop
I understand however if the 6 is lighter with more power than the V8 in a fixed hard top that could very well be awesome.
Neutro-fcuking-gena? I either have completely parched skin and just don't give a f*ck, or born with naturally amazing creamy skin. Most likely the former.
I meant in the rear-mid configuration, but you missed the context there, which was obvious. Comparing the facelift car to a Portofino and Lusso is kind of humorous, though, because anybody looking at a rear-mid Ferrari is highly unlikely to decide on a Portofino, and even less likely to prefer a Lusso, for whatever reason. I also said it could go either way, but you seem to have missed that too. As to your claim that the facelift will invigorate sales, we'll see. To me invigorate means the facelift will sell better than the 488, which seems unlikely to me, but it is a possibility. More likely seems to be that there will be a significant number of fence-sitters who wait for the V6 turbo-hybrid "real replacement" for the 488. I made no prediction either way, because there's just no telling without seeing the car. Maybe it will be a masterstroke, or perhaps it will be, "meh." Your final sentence is a complete non sequitur though. Some people prefer the NA 458, but others prefer the turbo 488. You hear those opinions and reasoning for them all the time in this forum. I'm in the NA 488 camp between those two. Inevitably, some will prefer the facelift car. We'd need a poll to figure out the ratios there. Don't discount the fact that some owners do have weird preferences, though, like 355 F1's for example. There are actually some who want those because they are the first F1 cars. I find that ridiculous, but to each his own; I'd rather have a manual in a rear-mid supersports automobile, but I'm older than dirt. So I'd say it is also inevitable that some will prefer a turbo V8 over the turbo-hybrid V6. In any case wee will see, and that's the fun of it. I still wish Ferrari didn't have to make this interim stop-gap facelift car.
BB is rumored to have similar combined power as LaF. The future V6 should have the highest specific power (HP/litres) ever put by Ferrari on a production engine, so it could maintain at least the same thermic power of FL (despite being a smaller engine) but adding an undisclosed amount of electric HPs
The FL will have the Pista engine basically but gear box of 488 and less areodynamics of Pista.....so handling will be different as weell as driving position but fast enough....no worries for the one fanatic with numbers. But price will increase definitely compare to 488. In my opinion it will looks very cool specially the rear part on coupe version......inspired to a iconic of the past! The front has been already well described before, a mix of Pista and J50. Btw check Debora SP! The simply reason of this FL is that the replacement is not ready yet as Ferrari wants to do it. And I guess they needed something new to reinvigorate sales of mid engine! Yes this may affect the used market of 488 but I don’t think the Pista one since being a special version. It will be also a matter of price! The BB price range left me breathless as well as the power!! And as I said before I am not the only one....also test pilot But the good news is that it will be cheaper than LaFerrari but faster!! I guess we have to wait after summer. All above IMHO
The wait lists here are already getting quite long. The look of the new one seems to be awesome. Prices around 10% higher. Saying that, I don’t believe the 488’s value will drop a lot. The last before the very last V8 mid-engine non-hybrid. A beauty as well. And no direct successor after the facelift in sight! ...The iconic may carry the first name of a family member...
Not sure about that, there are people for every price points... Typically that's people far off the money who imagine other people with more do not have limits, and I never get that. There are more people able to spend $100K than people able to spend $300K, and more people able to spend $300K than people able to spend $600K, and so on... It's not like above a certain amount one has to assume there are unlimited resources (or this amount has to be far higher than a few $M, one needs to count in billions to begin to look like there are no limits). And for every price point there are buying people who could afford a lot more, but do not necessarily go for it, and some other people for whom it's a stretch.
and how the BB looks? Is it a clean sheet design or a mixture of everything from laferrari design-bin.
