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  1. absostone

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    hope im not confusing the situ but I feel we need to go through the entire parts list
     
  2. Crowndog

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  3. daytonaman

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    Rears are approx 96 mm centers
    front and rear are definitely different lengths
    I think from memory fronts are shorter but can someone please confirm
    Crowndog might have the answer here
     
  4. Martin308GTB

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    Unfortunately not. I just measured a spare rear. These are 70mm centers, not 96. The front ones are significantly longer.

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  5. Martin308GTB

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    Quoting my own post for an addition/correction:
    You can't even swap sides by omitting the woodruff key. The direction of the cone for the track rod end also matters.

    Best Regards
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    #106 Crowndog, Feb 9, 2019
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    Hello Martin,
    It may be that since there appear to be two different size doggie bones perhaps he has the longer on the front?
    Which for his car is inappropriate and should have the shorter. Remember the rule that every car is different.
    Or versa vica

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  7. Martin308GTB

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    #107 Martin308GTB, Feb 9, 2019
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    Hi Robert,

    from GT4 1973 till 308QV 1985 parts numbers are the same for the short rear ones and long front ones. Even the 328 used the same rears.
    I think it's easy to check for the correct length of the dogbones. With the car on the wheels the stabilizer should be angled nearly horizontally.

    Robert, these are cars, not glasses :)

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  8. Crowndog

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    Not convinced. :)
    My eyes are not what they used to be.
    Anyway just my $.02 since I looks like the weird angle suggests to me the bone is not right.
     
  9. Martin308GTB

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    Which picture do you refer to?
     
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    Cannot see/open the attachment.
     
  12. POLO35

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    It looks to me like your tie rod ends are incorrect the threaded portion has extra thread + the nut is a very high-profile Cortes pin style. Look at Thorn's photo on page 1... his has a very short threaded portion with a very short lock nut.
     
  13. Martin308GTB

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    Like shown on my detail pic in my post #60 on page three, the tie rod end nut is far away enough to not collide with the dogbone.
    If there's slight collision, it's in the extreme position of full droop and steering end position.
    But not the nut collides, but the steering arm itself.

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  14. Crowndog

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    Post #46
     
  15. Martin308GTB

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    Hi Robert,

    this is not the OP's situation. It's 'thorn's picture from post #17. And this weird angle is just caused by the stabilizer not centered correctly, what 'thorn' meanwhile easily corrected.

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    We have several suggestions of things to check on Monday (thanks for all the help) but I don't believe the issue is with incorrect sway bar links (dog bones). The front links and the sway bar were the first things we inspected (before posting for help), when we noticed the problem.

    The front sway bar and link sizes, matched exactly with a properly clearing suspension, on comparison.
     
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    Yep, check that
    Factory would not have got that so wrong
     
  18. daytonaman

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    Again my bet is Crowndog is correct
     
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    #119 Martin308GTB, Feb 10, 2019
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    This thread is beginning to get funny :)
    Did you read all posts one after another?
    We should go back to the thread topic and wait for the OP's results of further investigation and not discuss 'thorn's' misaligned stabilizer, which he meanwhile corrected.

    Best
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  20. daytonaman

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    Martin yes I have looked at all the posts. Appologies if I am missing something here.
    All I know is front and rear dogbones are different length and not interchangeable. Rear will cause this problem if accidentaly fitted to front
     
  21. Martin308GTB

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    How that? The rear ones are approx. 25mm shorter than the front ones. But in fact, it would bugger up the whole stabilizer geometry. But no way cause collision between dogbone and steering arm.

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  22. Crowndog

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    Now I’ll throw another bone (haha)
    Could the dogbones be from another car or wrong replacements? I still think they should be measured and compared to knowns.
     
  23. Martin308GTB

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    Hi Robert,

     
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  24. Crowndog

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    Oh darn. But good news.
     
  25. thorn

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    Right, that's my car - not the OP's. I was hoping that it would help in showing how the angles and parts are arranged. Unfortunately I think it clouded the original issue a bit, as a) my link was "off angle" (since corrected) and b) either way, I wasn't having problems with the tie rod hitting the link.

    I'd post a pic of my corrected parts, but I think we've got enough "good" examples posted already. ;)
     
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