I get your trying to point out there will be an update but many here posted their dislike to the dash change on the 812 from the F12. The off center dash stripe you can't delete, bullet bra cones which lost one vent, Lambo-esque grill treatment and cheaper looking knob pods were not an improvement but to each their own. At least they didn't add an awful center display. The 458 and F12 had very similar dash treatments so one would expect this to continue with the 812 and FL so no surprise there.
I hoped the interior changes would have been more radical. 812 has not a modern interior and not so different from F12. I Love Ferrari but looks like they are saving money on R&D and trying to make a lot of profits. IMHO
I see but the point is different. I don't think i will like to spend money on the restyling of the restyling of the 458. And, once again, I owned and both 458 and 488. But enough is enough
Sorry guys, why you all say that interior is so dated in the Ferrari's? well may e because I'm into Ferrari not that long so I still enjoy the 488 interior and also the 812 one but don't tell me that you want a "tablet to order the pizza" like in the new McLaren!!! That thing is really awful to me (of course personal opinion. I really like that for Ferrari sports car everything is in front of the driver so you have everything under control just in front of you and having said that Ferrari does probably the best steering wheels in the market that is something is always in front of your face and of course even better if you spec with the LED (not many brands give you this chance). As I said this is my personal opinion.
You are asking a really good question. The ... and I say this cheekily ... egregious ... thing about the 488 dashboard it is that it is basically a less interesting version of the dash from the car that preceded it ... the 458. The dash of the 458 was a game changer and still looks cutting edge and way better than the 488 dash which was less dramatic and more mildly styled. It just looks really long in the tooth at this point for a brand new car. Ferrari did an excellent job of transitioning the 'old af looking' dash from the F12 to the cutting edge and more dramatic dash of the 812 ... without the benefit of having a clean sheet of paper ... it's the same platform underneath. When you sit in the 812 the shapes of the dash take on a 3-D cinema effect and seem to have incredible depth and to 'float' in front of you. It's awesome. It is believed that the F142M-FL will achieve this same effect. That alone plus 4 round tail lights equals I will take two please! And don't worry. It isn't going iPad on your dash yet. Macca interiors are soulless rubbish and one of the big reasons their cars don't sell better.
I respect your opinion. The interiors, however, are the same since 2009 (with a small restyling in 488). 10 years in the car world is a huge amount of time and you must change
That's very understandable. If you have already owned a 458 and 488, you're probably looking for something really new and fresh and the FL might not deliver that feeling. About center displays, I honestly wouldn't mind one. Lusso and Ghibli's look nice and clean.
I really think we are on the same page here....Can't wait to put my hands on the 812 this year and can't wait to do the same on the Pista next one! hoping that I can keep them both! And let's see how is gonna look this FL in few days and probably I will go to Ginevra as well, shame the Pista will not be there, I still have to see one in real life.
Absolutly wrong ! no more V12 hybrid on the normal range ! just for Icona series & LF replacment, but not sure for this future hypercar...
Are you saying that after the 812 there will be no more regular production V-12 Ferrari offered at all? Not even in hybrid V-12 form? Because if you are then I'm sorry I have to call BS on that. I think you have been misinformed. That is an extremely radical assertion to say the least. I would be gobsmacked if you have reliable intel backing that up or anything at all other than 'I've been hearing from people that ...' I can't say for sure a V-12 or any ICE will be on offer from anyone 20 years hence but there will be a successor to the 812 on a version of the brand new modular platform and it will be hybrid. This part of the line up will live on for at last one more generation.
Leiters clearly said that they will absolutely maintain and further develop the V12 engine family in the future and it will still be part of the product range. The new modular aluminium platform is made for V6s, V8s and V12s as well.
Hmmmm...you can't get two more authoritative and respected members than those. They are the pinnacle. So your sources are beyond question. I still have to take the position that your communication of what they thought you were asking could have been unclear or your interpretation of what they said to you could have been misunderstood by you. And even they are not omniscient about every aspect of Ferrari's future. I'm sorry but I won't accept any assertion that Ferrari will no longer offer a regular production 12-cylinder car of some configuration until Louis Camilleri or his replacement states so publicly... and even then ... even the CEOs have been known to reverse unequivocal public statements. 'We will never make an SUV' etc. Ferrari without a V-12 in its normal line up is ... well ... what even is it. It's like Star Wars without Darth Vader is what it is.
Ok so you're saying you lied when you said ... ah never mind. Ok yes. Yes you're quite right. The 812 is the last regular production 12-cylinder and me and the Chief Technolgy Officer of Ferrari are wrong and you sir are right. Did you hear that everyone? Run out and buy an 812!
I ve still say " it s my own information ", nothing eslse ! read my lpast posts...It s not a dealer s information... I don t need to exist with such a kind of rumours...and if you was at the rignt place, you " must " know that s it s simply a fact ...
Cylinder count or not the Huracan has been a direct competitor to the 488. Big difference between V8/V10 vs V6. Right now the 488 isn’t holding its value any better than the Huracan or Mclaren despite what the discounts are. The supercar industry has changed. I hope you’re right about Ferrari and I’m looking forward to the future. And whether we like it or not Ferrari has been losing market share to its competitors. I know I’ve cross shopped Ferrari, Lamborghini and Mclaren in the past and likely will in the future.
It’s very tiring hearing the same old stories for years. The information about the modular aluminium platform able for front-mid and rear-mid engine application is basically old news. I you read in the capital market’s presentation you will find out they mention two distinct architectures. One for front-mid engine and the other for rear-mid engine layouts. The latter is described to use a multi-material underbody approach to decrease weight. So the permanent claim that everything but limited hyper cars will stick to aluminium chassis is what it is – just WRONG!
Au contraire. That would be factually erroneous. Ferrari invests more in R&D (a staggering 30%) than any other car manufacturer. Premium brands, like BMW, are around 10%, Porsche at less than 20%. Designing an interior is not that expensive anyway. Ferrari spends on things that matter most, i.e. powertains, aerodynamics, electronics and car dynamics. Regarding the power/speed argument: Ferraris were always about their engines. Enzo used to say that he sells the engine and offers the rest of the car for free. They were never about super-lightweight and no frills motoring. If one wants a simple, lightweight car, they want a Lotus Elise really. Ferrari has to keep relevant in the power/speed stakes, if they want to be true to their remit and heritage. That said, it's not all about the numbers. Ferraris, most certainly have to be thrilling to drive. They are!!!
