The 15 New Models by 2022 - What We Know

Turbo = Cheap HP. (All the OE's have known that for decades.)

Cheap = Good. (Better profits, higher ROI, happier shareholders.)

 

sure is save a lot on development of engines ... want more power just turn up the boost....I like the true high performance sound of an NA engine..personally

 

Except that is not what they did with the Pista. Turning up boost is cheap but comes with drawbacks. I don’t think Ferrari are pursuing turbo because it’s cheap. It’s about emissions, otherwise they would not be going hybrid because one thing that isn’t is cheap! Pista shows they are committed to purity rather than low cost since they went to the expense of changing the engine not the boost.

 

true and Turbo is truly a great way to get efficient power but if we are talking soul of a car which was being discussed earlier ....
A 458 speciale had a 14:1 compression ratio with a 9000rpm redline ....which is the way to make a really great sounding engine to sound like a hi performance Ferrari .....
the new PISTA truly a great car produces more power sure but the compression ratio went from 9.4 on the 488 to9.6 on the Pista and max RPM of about..8000 rpm....this is certainly a better driving and faster car with lots of torque but it loses to me some of the awesome Ferrari sound.and soul...thats all

 

Nice read on the variant possibilities and pricing.

(could careless about what it takes to attain a particular model)

@Forza Scuderia , thanks for posting.

 

Well I can't see how you can know what everyone sees in their head as the icon or even expect that everyone sees the same thing. My head always dreams of V12 engines as did the companies namesake which is why I and many others own them. Some of us also see the melodious and shrieking howl of a giant gas guzzling polluting beast of an NA motor as the pinnacle of motorsport and that motor many times is in front of the driver. Some see Tesla-esque electrics as soulless things not in tradition with Ferrari. Very small block 7200rpm boosted V8s and now V6s don't make it for certain buyers. We are disappointed with the changes but not ignorant of why they were made or dismissive of the possibilities of the future of Ferrari.

We are also shy of battery packs and the reliability of tripling the complexity of the heart of the car to keep up with the sales of other brands and avoid issues with green thinking regulators. All at the same time losing the soul but gaining in the numbers race. Taken to its logical end we wind up with Formula E which you need to be drunk and crunching on prescription meds to get through half a lap. Maybe its a generational thing but just wanted to remind you that not all change is seen as positive and folks will be cautious moving forward. Best.

 

Per this:

https://www.motor1.com/news/266493/ferrari-reveals-roadmap-more-hybrids/

The future also holds assisted driving, something which some might say was predictable given current automotive technology trends, but Ferrari hopes to hold a uniqueness in that realm. Details aren't yet revealed, but the artificial intelligence system being developed in Maranello is said to focus more on exclusivity and focuses on customization. As for what that means, we'll just have to wait and see.

I know the transmission/ecu already provides a degree of "selectable driver aid", but what more will will come? Will it be more like a video game?

Batteries, electric motors, game console aids, I think Ferrari should continue on the NA and hold the line on further driver aids and thus far I believe the penalty for EU locations is basically a monetary one, other countries may not at all, only China has made serious threats to restrict to only pure electric (and not much of anything on the Ferrari 5 year plan indicates that's happening in the lineup).

 

Was just adding on to the set of expectations for what's to come.

Of course, get out there now and enjoy, life is fleeting, but, we are here conjecturing and mixing it up with some relevant announcements, all for fun!

 

They will end up with no ICE engines when you think what hybrid actually means longer term. You say yourself the cost and practicality of getting power out of ICE is too much (but most certainly possible by master Ferrari engine designers if left to design away). I am saying that with the hybrid hp war its the electric engine and battery packs where the increases will come from each time reducing the effectiveness and size of the ICE engine even with turbos. Same result when adding stricter green regulations. Its a longer term commercial technology roadmap.

The ICE gets so small it becomes a drawback and by then folks would be conditioned for the short acceleration rush and then we're into snooze along Formula E and no soul. Market forces and regulations make this inevitable. If the recent post about mandated top speed limiters also has a say then you might as well buy a tesla and put Scuderia stickers on the side. No one knows the timeframe for this but don't be fooled that that's exactly where hybid takes it - to all electric. I also see nothing glorious about modern turbo sound compared to NA V12 of today and will certainly make an honest comparison with the new models coming out. That part will be easy.

As an aside, there is information out there about all electric platforms with four electric motors employing torque vectoring and 4-wheel firmware controllers that are guaranteed to exceed the performance any of the models discussed here today. Bodies even designed from PF top designers with excellent style. That technology is just a small reach away and the controller technology is being licensed to major OEMS. When batteries get better next wave or so the industry will see a dramatic shift. Lots to think about. Best.

 

In 30-40 years there won't be many if any Europeans left in Europe to make cars much less drive them, current low birthrates and incoming new populations with very little if any European heritage...so, you're right, get'm now!

And cars will never be outlawed where there is freedom

 

I sincerely hope that buying a SP1/SP2 does not DECREASE the chance of buying the F40!!! That would be a disaster !


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What an ignorant statement! Believe it or not there are people out here who will be around in 10+ years. People who will then be in the age and the financial situation to purchase Ferraris. The journey however begins with building up the dream of owning and driving a Ferrari at much earlier stage. In my case it began as a child and now I am in my twenties. When will I be able to purchase my first Ferrari? – I don’t know. Maybe never. It doesn’t matter as long as the dream is alive. A Ferrari is an aspirational thing so what happens in twenty years has an important impact on the generation which is at a different/earlier stage in the whole Ferrari experience journey. If the future of cars looks dark due to regulations it kills many of those dreams NOW.

 

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Unfortunately that is easier said than done.

 

Yes, they have the choice ! the choice to paid a penalty by cars over CO 2 restrictions, or includind it in the sale price, and consequently continue to produce NA
LCDM has always resfused a stock exchange introduction...and he knew the reasons...
Today, Ferrari isn t free and must generates more and more benefits for shareholders;
Dear Forza scuderia, you want to give me a pizza for dinner, but i don t want to eat a pizza !!! i prefer another meal...
I don t care about 900 or 1200 hp on open roads i can t use, my F 12 is already so poweful...i need an organic feed back, not an artificial, in a heavy car, with an electric engine...
I need a soul ! i need a mecanic engine, i need music from a NA V12 or a V8 and 9000 rpm !!!
That s all...Could you understand real enthusiast refused this kind of future ?
I m 40 years old, but i know why i ve a big qmile when i turn the key !!! i don t need someone said to me you " must " ...I m a big guy Golden age is behind, it s just a reality !
Cheers.

 

Cool dream roadmap, thx for posting.

Lmao convo on what it takes to acquire. No time for folly.

 

Yup Yup and Yup...
Glad to see there are at least a few of us still around who can see through the fog.

 

Fascinating posting. My reactions are: 1- your time table strikes me as too front loaded , and 2-Ferrari said at their capital markets day that their next few years plan does not include a LF replacement. Thus, you would need to come up with a new 15th model.

 

Good points. But I can tell you a quick reaction. I heard the exact same kind of upset thoughts back in the mid 1970s when I was young and lucky to be around a few Ferrari owners who proclaimed: the company is doomed! The car's aren't the same! They now make this kind of plastic junk car V8 (308) and where is the elegant V12?! And they don't sound like the old cars! And they are under powered! What happened? Today these cars are seen as classics.

My take: Change is the only constant. Yes,of course, they are a public company now, and that means more pressure. But they were an integral cash contributor before to a public company, so they had pressure. And yes, the cars are crazy powerful. Because that sells, public company or no. You know what they say besides change is the only constant? The more things change, the more they stay the same. Despite the natural concerns of those of us who appreciate what they have achieved, I predict Ferrari will find ways to make these cars desirable and fascinating.

Forza Ferrari !!