In that case, then I understand and pardon your interpersonal skills as you tended to converse in an ancient language.
Here’s the problem. F8 is very similar to 488 that is very similar to 458. From Ferrari I’d expect more news in 10 years time.
It IS relevant. Why is a 2-year old 720S STILL competitive with an F8?? (which likely won't even be available until late 2019). The car is frankly 2 years behind the competition. It seems you're one of those "...but a Ferrari is a Ferrari...no matter what" type. Well, it's starting to matter. Mercedes-Benz had this attitude in 1989 when Lexus introduced the LS400. Competition is a good thing. To simply negate other worthy brands because they don't have a prancing horse on the hood is quite obtuse. The reality (and likely reason) that cars like the 720S and Huracan EVO/Performante are often brought into discussion is because those models have incited such a mass movement of positive vibe across the automotive enthusiast world; that everyone was on edge waiting to see what Ferrari would do with their next release. The Ferrari F8 Tributo is a massive disappointment to the masses and just barely remains competitive with 2-year old competitors. The F8 should have destroyed these other models by leaps and bounds. Rather, we have to wait for a $600000 BB to be released to make any impact in the automotive world. I'm sure 720S and Huracan fans all breathed a sigh of relief when the F8 was released.
Actually, even Ferrari themselves feel the need to answer to this competition by having this F8 out, right after pista and with a true replacement lurking in the corner. So Ferrari is just trying to stay relevant, and this is no longer a Ferrari that we used to know. But such is life and reality of publicaly traded company. We just have to accept it with our money or walk away and let the company know by not buying at this critical transitional period of Ferrari. I just hope they listen though.
There are conflicting messages to Ferrari - on the net some are shouting how crap and outperformed Ferrari has become, and on the real world people fight to overpay for a Pista - my personal stance is in-between but I feel irrelevant
You still need an appointment with an optometrist ASAP. The front bumper doesn't look anything alike. Give it up already. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/ferrari-reveals-hardcore-track-only-ferrari-fxxk-evo-laferrari-mondiali
No need to say sorry, we are in agreement. I owned a Cali and at one time had a fondness for big butts I cannot lie. Don't like the F8's rear 3/4 view at all.
It depends what you call competitive and, what matters to the driver. Note I mentioned the word "driver" here . HP is not the only metric, nor is having a CF tub and, when neither make a car more exciting or engaging to drive, don't amount to much. So to say a car is 2 years ahead of its rivals, yet fails to deliver superior sensations to the driver is something I will never understand. So on that note I will take the Ferrari, which you say is 2 years behind, and, not because it is a Ferrari - but because it is a car that is truly a far more engaging car to drive in so many different ways. And I"m not the only one who has arrived at that conclusion BTW!. Tributo may not win today's design expectations but you can take it to the bank it will be far more exciting to drive than any 720.
I'm ok with my 458 until they come up with an entirely new car in the V8 line. 488 was just an evolution of the 458. They better knock it out of the park on the next real model that doesn't keep leveraging the investment in the 488.
It’s one thing to comment on the esthetics of a car. It’s another to comment on performance numbers as those aren’t subject. But for the life of me I don’t know how someone can comment whether a car is engaging to drive or not or if one if more engaging that another having never driven either one.
Agree with you, but for me it's about the look, sound and handling first. I'm not a track guy. The look of this new car is just not original enough. So now it's the 488, Pista and Tributo all based on the core 458 design. It's a nice improvement to the 488 and Pista, but nothing new in core design - all just refinements.
So people that purchase 720s’ don’t find them engaging eh? So it won performance car of the year on what other attribute?
I don’t disagree. I happen to like the looks. Better than my 488. Has more hp also. But it’s not making me rush out to buy one. As far as the drive whether it’s engaging or not, no clue. I’m sure it’s good. But without getting behind the wheel, anyone saying whether it’s a good car to drive or better than anthor car- I mean, how do you know?
It was expected that you jump to the defence however - as i said; take it to the bank the Ferrrari will deliver what it does best....deliver sensations to the "driver". As much as this will pain you to hear it, the only Mac I have EVER driven to date which has delivered what I would consider having engaging sensation is the 600lt....and yes I've driven your beloved 720 - hard....yawn. But keep in mind i'm not into drag strips.
Very predictable and typical post by you. I’m not defending anything. Just amazed at your ability to predict how engaging a car is to drive having never driven one. You should charge money for your mental abilities.
It's OK not to get it... .perfectly fine. Best you don't drive a 600lt. I'm sure even without driving the F8 that it will deliver the goods.
I'll bet even without driving the Lamborghini Huracan EVO that it will deliver the goods more than the F8....and I'll bet it's a hell of a lot more engaging hands down....so take that baseless comment from me. So I ask, what OTHER attribute made the 720 performance car of the year? Apparently the HP and carbon tub weren't reason enough to "engage" the driver. So what was it? The F8 will drive like my 488 with a 50hp tune on it. What made the 720 beat the 488 in the OTHER categories aside from HP and Carbon tub? Surely editors didn't choose it based on price (720 costs more) nor just hp and speed did they? I think not.
A tuned car is rarely the sum of its parts. Can't see the point in tuning a 488.... pointless....has so much power as it is and at least it drives as a sum of its parts. If you need a dragster then there are cheaper cars....just saying in case you didnt know. And please no need for you mac boys to beat yourselves up too hard on my account. It's OK. G yourselves down. This is a F8 Ferrari thread btw.
I’d argue that the carbon tub does make a difference. I can unquestionably feel how ridgid the 720s is when driving it. It makes the car feel less sloppy and more precise. As far as engaging to drive I’d say we will have to wait and drive the F8 first before assuming. What I can tell you is my 720s is as engaging to drive to me as my 488GTB was. Have you driven a 720s on road and track?
I never suggested that my 488 was tuned. I was suggesting that an F8 will likely drive like a 488 with 50hp added to it. There was very little other change to make the driving dynamics much different.
Another spot on comment from someone who actually owns the cars in question. The tub makes a massive difference and you notice it when you actually get time behind the wheel of it. And as far as the F8- No need for you to actually drive it. It will be unquestionably engaging to drive. I’ve been told so.
You do realize you are arguing with 3 488 owners don’t you? And if this is a Ferrari thread, you should really refrain from talking about macs. Have a good day.
