NEW V8 MID ENGINED MODEL (BIG BROTHER)

Lucky SOB; over 500K Euro here!

 

I just want to know price ratio in your location between 812 and this new 1000hp car

 

First: I don't know Ferrari future strategies. But this "Super V8 mid engine hybrid " could be the new "standard" Ferrari flagship, with 4WD and 900+ Hp. Many complain about the fact Ferrari flagship is a front engine car (like a Corvette, and even the Corvette is switching to the mid engine architecture…): maybe in the future the flagship will be this V8 Hybrid. And the F8 successor (a V6 hybrid) will become (again) what the 308-328 were: the mid engine entry level. This explains very well why the F8 is very similar to the 488: it won't be (in the future) anymore the V8 top level car. I think the front engine (within some years) will stay just for GT spiders (Portofino class) and four seaters (Lusso and Purosangue). And won't be a V12...

Just my two cents.

The sensation we have here (from the outside of the Factory) is that the V8 TT Hybrid will be built in big numbers and not only in a limited production.

The new 3.0 V6 Turbo has the possibility (joined with an electric motor) to create a powetrain up to 1000 Hp, so it could fit also the big Lusso and Purosangue.

ciao

 

Well, R&T clocked the RWD LaFerrari at 2.4" for the 0-60 mph sprint (and at 9.8" for the 0-150 mph dash - crazy numbers!!!), which proves that you don't necessarily need a heavy and steering wheel - corrupting 4WD layout to achieve such numbers.

 

Agree with you but torque vectoring 4 WD could be something different than traditional 4WD .
Even more if Ferrari manage to do it with the same quality level let's say their E-DIFF ..

 

If the V8 TT will not be limited bt a car in the $1mln range, it will be a big F U to various cars Ferrari makes.
Even to future Limiteds for the 488 and 812.
One could argue it will be TT and thus it should not affect the NA V12 812 so much, but I seriously doubt that.
Currently no car manufacturer has a production car at the $1mln price range.
I don't count Pagani or Koenigsegg as a normal production car.

 

4WD helps at start-up, for longer runs it's more about power.
According to the same R&T, the LaFerrari 0-60 time is matched (or almost) by the Huracan Performante in spite of the huge power difference (and the LaFerrari hybrid drivetrain is proably another advantage, because the ICE would need an extremely short gear ratio to put more power on the wheels at start-up).
So the 4WD on the Lambo is certainly a dramatic help.

 

I wonder if when they launch this BB they will use the Mate Red of the SF90H.

 

Of course 4WD helps, but it isn't an absolute necessity, as the LaFerrari proves.
Huge power isn't helpful when launching a 2WD car; it can actually become a hindrance. That's why launch control systems limit power, instead of dishing it out all at once. Any car with more than 200 HP has the power to spin its tyres at launch, thus the LF's power advantage and hybrid element are inconsequential in that context. It's all about sending just enough power to the wheels to maintain the optimal tyre slip ratio (between 15% and 20% of spin according to engineers), until grip allows the use of full power. The LaFerrari probably needs less than 1/3rd of its power at launch. Anything more than that and it will just smoke its tyres into oblivion.

 

I guess we 'll have to wait and see.

 

Highly unlikely. The matte paint of the F1 car had a technical reasoning behind it. It wasn't an aesthetics choice.

 

It is about 1.6 times the cost of a low-spec 812


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Do you guys think this model will have a spider or speciale/Pista version?

 

I wonder why Ferrari will build this car ... maybe they afraid of Mclaren fast toys like 720/Senna/speedtail ?????

 

No, it’s just that everyone will go this way.
High end mega fast V8 + electric, normal range (still very fast) V6 + electric.
Ferrari will just be the first to launch a normal series production of such a car.

At 600k, 1000 hp, max 1600kg (dream 1450kg) , great sound because of electric turbos (I still hope) and beautiful design....It will sell all they can make!

 

great sound because of electric turbos? so turbine will be not on exchaust pipe? turbine will be run by some electric motor?

 

Yes, a 48v electric motor to be exact which is no problem because you already have an electric motor and batteries, basically you can put them wherever you want! Imagine the possibilities!
I dream with a 458 sound but with 800hp plus electric power for instant response and torque!
It would kick sooo much ass!!
And please carbon tub if not the whole chassis the tub!

 

that would be great for sound lovers, probably also less turbo lag, but did anyone from ferrari confirm ever electric turbo and declare that it will be not mount on exhaust pipe?

 

Spider yes but you want more than 1000 HP in a Speciale version to?

 

Speciale can be just weight reduction with no extra power

 

Nothing to suggest that Ferrari will deploy an electric supercharger.

 

I just know that no one is doing anything like this. The closest is the koni Jesko with a 20 bar air pump that basically keeps the turbines always moving even when you’re of gas so very little turbo lag even with those huge turbos.
Ferrari is the only one in electric turbos and with some patents. An electric turbo not only spins much faster than a regular one, but also has much higher rotations.
Basically they mitigate all normal turbos fragilities. They are awesome and I’m still surprised no car has them?!

 

True, they only have some patents but let us dream. Honestly I think this is only for the halo next laferrari and then trickles down to regular production cars.
I think this will be the last hurrah of the ICE before going all electric.
That’s how good electric turbos are!

 

Ferrari hasn't mentioned anything of abandoning the ICE any time soon.

 

My guess is that the next LaFerrari will have a N/A V12, plus an electric element; a la Valkyrie.