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430 DIY: F430 MAF / Mass Air Flow Sensor / Meter

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  1. whatheheck

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    #1 whatheheck, Mar 17, 2019
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    Here you go for sharing.

    MAF/ Mass Air Flow Sensor / Air Flow Meter:

    As our F430 ages, its only a matter of time before the MAF's go bad.
    They either go bad due to contamination of the sensors (dirt, oil, grease, etc.) providing inaccurate data to the engine ECU or simply the sensors wear out nearing the end of its usable life due to age.

    Most common symptoms are hunting idle issues.
    • Ferrari Part Number: 181120
    • Bosch Part Number of the entire MAF: 0 280 218 085.
    • MAF sensor insert only part number is: F 00C 2G2 044
    The entire MAF including the housing ( Ferrari part number 181120) is currently at $323.00 ea. Need two.
    Same part used on 575M, 612, Challenge Stradale, F430 Coupe and F430 Spider.
    Note that Ferrari 360 uses a different MAF part number.

    Some notes:
    If there is nothing wrong with the plastic housing you can replace just the sensor inserts only Bosch Part Number: F 00C 2G2 044. The challenge is to find a seller that sells the inserts only.

    My experience with MAF's is to not buy generic ones as simply put they are not made very well, they wont last very long and the value tolerance are not that tight that it can provide inaccurate values to the engine ECU so my vote is to not waste your time on those.

    Here are some photos for sharing.

    If someone was able to find a source for a genuine BOSCH insert only for a great price kindly share. MAF housing very very rarely go bad. I've never seen one cracked so it's usually just the insert that needs to be replaced.

    Another note: MAF insert is very easy to replace as its only held by two screws. You will need special 5 point star bit as shown on photo below. You can find the bits either at Amazon or eBay.

    One more note: You will see some preowned MAF's for sale in eBay. I recommend you pass on those as well as its simply put, they are old and they wont last very long.

    Thanks in advance.

    Dan

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  2. whatheheck

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    And at the same time if someone has source for the BOSCH MAF at a great price kindly share info too please.

    Thanks.

    Dan
     
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    #4 f355spider, Mar 17, 2019
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    The Bosch MAF is being offered by a UK seller on Ebay for $209 delivered: https://www.ebay.com/itm/BOSCH-AIR-MASS-SENSOR-0280218085/302809794317?epid=250822755&hash=item4680dec70d:g:DYcAAOSwRgdbTy5U Their buyer feedback is less than stellar though, but Ebay does guarantee refunds if there is a problem. Agree sensor would be the least costly option, but Bosch doesn't sell the sensor only in many cases. Maybe it can be found...All the ones I see on Ebay are either used or non factory reproductions.
     
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  6. sakodik

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    Very nice Dan! What about ecu relearning or disconnecting power?
     
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  7. Rifledriver

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    Why? ECU constantly learns. Only consideration is erasing error codes if they exist and adaptive strategy is reset on error code erasure.
    Never a need to relearn on any component replacement. The system never stops doing it.
     
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  8. Rifledriver

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    I believe Bosch only sells to authorized Bosch component rebuilding facilities. Any insert seen for sale will be a knock off, probably of Chinese origin.
     
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  9. sakodik

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    No idea, was reading it on aldous voice regarding the 360 maf. "Don’t forget to reset the ECU and let the engine relearn the adaptive values."
    Considering what you said, plug and play.
     
  10. whatheheck

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    Here you go, please see attached.

    This is captured from owners manual.

    Hope this helps.

    Dan
     

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  11. whatheheck

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    I will contact Bosch and see if they are or willing to sell the inserts only.

    Dan
     
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    Hi Dan, doubtful. If it's not already a catalog part item (meaning it's own SKU) they are not likely to do it. And if they did, it would go thru normal distribution.
     
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  14. whatheheck

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    Thanks for sharing Spencer!

    Drive safely always.

    Dan
     
  15. zboost300

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    Did the sensors fix your issue?

     
  16. SpencerMarks

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    Don’t know! I haven’t ordered them yet. I have a new battery on order and tender. Previous owner used the batt kill switch every time he didn’t drive the car. Hoping that will be the fix but am not sure.
     
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    This is great! Thanks!!

     
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  20. whatheheck

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    You're welcome Daryl!

    Thanks for making the time to express appreciation.

    Sincerely appreciated.

    Dan
     
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    He's already stated he hasn't purchased from them yet. You will need to contact the seller directly for information
     
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  24. armedferret

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    No, Torx is a six point star. These are five.
     
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    They are all Torx..

    Torx T-bits = 6-point star
    Torx TR-bits = 6-point star, "Security version", with center pin
    Torx TS-bits = 5-point star, "Security version", with center pin
     
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