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NEW V8 MID ENGINED MODEL (BIG BROTHER)

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 28, 2019.

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  1. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran Silver Subscribed

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    Looks like a Sasquatch sighting, LOL.

    But seriously folks, no glass fastback, so like P80 there's a hole back there. Seems retrograde and not as aero as a glass cover. Maybe doesn't make a huge difference on performance or maybe it's the spider version (?).

    If it is the fixed top with flying butresses, this reinforces my impression that the car is inspired by the 330 P3 or P4.
     
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  2. MANDALAY

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    I realised it was a scud latter on but was timed out before I could edit
     
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    For Flavio Manzoni, Design Chief the 330 P/4 is a favourite classic Ferrari design. This from a guy who owns a 308 GTB. So he his constantly reminded of the 'flying buttress' style feature!

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  6. F140C

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    Maybe when Ferr mentioned the Sergio, he wasn't hinting at the front, but the rather at its back..

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    After all, it's a targa and that's another thing he cleverly hinted at.
     
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  7. jpalmito

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    I guess BB will share a lot of things , design wise , with J50 rather than Sergio ..
     
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    Agreed and I think Manzoni himself said the J50 introduced a new modern language meant to be further expressed and developed with future models. However, speaking of the Sergio, I was pointing out the rear window, could be closer to the BB than the J50's.
     
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    Ok didn't understand that ,
    Maybe a roof integrated spoiler too ?
     
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    Possible, and maybe less "extreme" compared to the one on the P80/C (I've just realized it has one there!).
     
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    In general, I agree with your notion. I don't think Ferrari has forgone the CF to ensure repair-ability ease. We all already know the reason. Perhaps this will change in the future.

    This fact, however, does not change the other truth that it is cheaper/easier to repair, so while not the intention - your point does not counter the advantages of non-CF that other's have made.

    ..as for your closing guidance, I wish it was as easy as stating the obvious. Insurance companies' bane indeed.
     
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    https://www.menshealth.com/technology-gear/a26990660/mclaren-supercar-crash-safety/

    "We crashed one 675LT twelve times,” Wildig recalled. “The tub was perfectly fine after each test, so we rebuilt the chassis around it and crashed it again. You can’t do that with a metallic car.”

    So yeah, I'd much rather have a CF tub than an aluminum one. I'm generally more interested in how preserved my body is after a wreck, not my car's frame.
     
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    The main reason for Ferrari to use Aluminum platform is that it's way more modular than carbon
    So therefore you can get a much more expanded product portfolio from SUV's,Front and rear engine cars
     
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    Good For You Mike. Maybe you can go protest the use of aluminum in front of the Ferrari factory.
     
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    tekaefixe Formula 3

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    And because they can sell something cheaper for a higher price. It’s not fair for us but they make more money like this.
     
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    No manufacture is going to offer every nuance of tech in their cars
    So one has to decide which combination of technologies is important
    to them and then decide which brand to buy
     
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    Hilarious :D:D:D
     
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    And you know its cheaper ?

    I would have thought moulding a bit of CF in an autoclave would be way less headache than aluminium welding a complex structure ?
     
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    A CF tub with front and rear aluminum(aluminium for the Brits out there) subframes would be the ideal.
    Protect my body parts and sacrifice the subframes
    As for CF shards, I’ve picked out worse in the operating from MVA victims


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    CF tub's main advantage to me is structural rigidity and minimization of chassis flex in Spider variant. Weight loss and protection in the event of crash are also pluses.
     
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    I thought it was so they can make those hideous rears on the 812 :D
     
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    Some people collect stamps with no intention of using them. Others collect toys and never open them from their packaging. Some folks collect rare first edition books with no intention of reading them. Still others buy rare wine / scotch with no plans to drink.

    Since it is not my money, nor did they take anything away from me, and it definitely causes me no harm, I don’t need to understand it other then to know it brings them happiness.

    Because of this fact, when I see this often repeated question, I know the querier is quite thirtsty.
     
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  23. George330

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    Sorry guys but this is a nonsensical line of argument. If Ferrari didn’t think CF is superior it wouldn’t use it for LaF, Enzo, F50 and the F1 Cars. Of course it is and we will all welcome it when they make their first regular production model in CF. There are production reasons for not using it yet and they have to do mainly with cost and the re-use of existing platforms for their current models. Also for most road cars the benefit probably doesn’t justify the spend needed to design and test a new tub from scratch. McLaren did it and then built all of their models on what is basically the same tub with minor design differences. At some point Ferrari will change too, if they feel the spend is justified. Trying to rationalize the use of Aluminium over CF on the basis of superior material performance is biased to say the least


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    This!!
     
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    All the better! That makes batteries even less of a problem because those owners don't care if their car have problems or not. They just need it to look good from the outside.
     

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