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what looks better 512BB - Testarossa 87, both koenig

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what car looks better

  1. 512 BB koenig

  2. Testarossa koenig competition

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  1. turbo-joe

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    #1 turbo-joe, May 7, 2019
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    hello all

    after long time vacation in thailand today the sun shines here ( even it is still cold ) and I thaught to take the 512BB and the competition out of the garage. the competition started with the 3rd attempt and the BB after about 1 minute fuel pumps running and pushing the gaspedal several times at the 4th attempt. both running really fine after more than 1,5 years not driving. the BB needs new belts, so I know what to do. now about 12 years ago I changed last time.

    I took some photos ( sorry, cars are not washed ) and wonder what car looks better.
    so please vote and tell/write your opinion.
    thank you

    myself I prefer the BB, would be great to have the twin turbo testarossa engine in the BB :) :)

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  2. Newman

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    #2 Newman, May 7, 2019
    You asked so Ill give my opinion. The alterations did nothing to enhance either car and I would say the BB suffered more than the Testarossa.
     
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  3. xplodee

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    #3 xplodee, May 7, 2019
    I kind of agree. Although I do love the look of a TR without the slats. Ferrari should have gone that route on the 512M to modernize the look
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    #4 Steve Magnusson, May 7, 2019
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    Although the Boxer is a bit too mono-color for my taste, the design changes are better integrated on the Boxer IMO. The changes on the TR -- e.g., the stuck-on rear spoiler, the vents cut into the rear bumper, and the missing lower fascia -- just seem haphazard. Should've had a whole new rear bumper/lower fascia that was shaped to better accommodate the revised exhaust outlets and provide those vents. Agree with xplodee that the slat-less TR side adds moderness, but that is a very flattering photo angle/lighting that makes the whole radiator area appear dark black. If you can look in and just see bare radiator when standing next to the car that would hit me as being sort of unfinished.

    Now, what super-model would you like me to criticize ;)?
     
  5. ricmat

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    #5 ricmat, May 7, 2019
    I second that as well... the cars look far better in their original skins...




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    #7 xplodee, May 7, 2019
    Would enjoy seeing more pics of this car, perhaps from different angles
     
  8. turbo-joe

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    #8 turbo-joe, May 7, 2019
    no criticize, only like to know what the members here think

    I agree, but at that time it was "up to date"
     
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    #9 Jay R, May 7, 2019
    What’s the point of a Testarossa if you remove its most distinctive characteristic? No strakes, no go!
     
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  10. ag512bbi

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    #10 ag512bbi, May 7, 2019
    I always LOVED the Boxer Koenig, Ever since I was a teenager. Still do, But now, would never want to own one.
     
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    #11 Rosey, May 8, 2019
    The passing of time has not been kind to these two cars.
    Less kind to the Testarossa.
     
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    No comparison.
     
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  14. turbo-joe

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    #14 turbo-joe, May 14, 2019
    mine has also not the silly wide rear fender with the bad looking before testarossa plastics in front of the fenders. but my question has been to my 2 cars, not to different projects from koenig
     
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    #17 mechaniker, May 14, 2019
    König was someone else. Koenig was the tuner.

    Koenig just put on the car, what the customer ordered. NOT more, not less.
     
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    #18 turbo-joe, May 14, 2019
    tim, you seem to know more from my car than me, even I have all the documents from koenig. so think over what you publish here.

    also I started this thread here to know what car the members like more and did not want to open a discussion about koenig conversions.

    so if you like to compare other koenig cars then please open a new thread
     
  19. timeckart

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    #19 timeckart, May 14, 2019
    His Name was in German Willy König. This is German spelling for oe we have ö....
    Willy never built a car with back spoiler but no front spoiler. Too dangerous to drive a mid engine car without front spoiler, if it has more PS....
     
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    #20 ronc52, May 14, 2019
    I have a Koenig Boxer that I have owned since 86 and it came with rear flares, rear spoiler and a rear wing. Factory ft. spoiler
     
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  22. mechaniker

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    #22 mechaniker, May 15, 2019
    I know, but the company was written Koenig Special. Maybe not to be confused with Auto König. Both were in Munich.


    And to keep it in topic:

    I prefer the BB, but would prefer an original even more.
     
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    #23 bertrand328, May 15, 2019
    There was list with products. The customers did not have a choice ?
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  24. timeckart

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    #24 timeckart, May 15, 2019
    what does this price list say?
    That when you crash your front spoiler you must buy a complete aerodynamic kit? No you get each part extra...normal.
    Did you ever see a König mid engine car without a frontspoiler? Whatt happens with this car at 330 km/h when you have more Downforce at the back but not at the front? Your front gets light as the Miura....König never built such dangerous cars...
    A Real König has a completebody tuning, other wheels, springs, shocks, brakes, engine tuning....
    sideskirt an a back spoiler makes no Königs car..
    The firm name was König GmbH.....

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  25. Bradwilliams

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    #25 Bradwilliams, May 15, 2019
    Boxer for sure. Although I do like the f40 style on the TR koenig.
     
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