NEW V8 MID ENGINED MODEL (BIG BROTHER)

I bet they announce and get people excited with a way off low dry weight number, and by the time people actually get the cars/test it etc, it would be a footnote in a magazine test. How many people remember now that the LaFerrari was annouced as 1255kg dry and in reality weighs 1600kg all in, meaning the dry weight is 150kg or so more than the claimed? Ferrari are masters at defying gravity at the weigh-in

If it is an aluminium chassis and not a stripped out racer, its likely to weigh 1600kg+ dry, and ready drive in the weight in range you say.

 

That is too much fluid I guess lol
I really hope the weight is low.
Even 1500kg car feels so different.

 

Spot on! And wails like a banshee!!! And thats manual , rear wheel steering , classsiched and without electrical assistance ! Wouldn’t recommend ‘CST-off ‘setting though !

 

What intrigues me most about the design are the side intakes, they look huge under the camo.
Let’s wait to see how they are integrated to the whole design.

 

Current Ferraris are the best ever, by far. Thus, I am not sure what you are talking about.

I am old enough to remember the Mondial T... what a cock up!!!

 

Been mostly sketching or doodling a couple of things for myself to challenge my guesswork and see how I considered all the elements of the car before its unveiling.

Still trying to resolve the input from @ppg70, specifically his mark-up of one of the spy pics. The diagonal door crease (very much P80-ish) I can't understand how it will work with the obvious horizontal crease leading back to the rear fender line and scoop opening. Also, he mentions it's not a targa so my guess of J50-like roofline is in question.

Other than that the latest spy pics only revealed some details around the door handle and what looks to be the rear fenders bulging out starting at the back of the doors, again P80-like. There is a little hint about the lower body skirts which seem to be less curvy than recent F-cars but still not enough info to predict this area. I think it's one area that I look forward to seeing most and hope it's as aggressive as P80.

Question mark for me also will be the weight. Hopefully they haven't done hybrid for the sake of hybrid--unless it's the only way to meet emissions--and sacrificed handling with the extra weight, though the CG should be nice and low.

 

Looking forward to seeing that also. The lower edge of the opening shouldn't be a surprise as it looks to be the horizontal line from the door (and door handle) just below the window line and leading to a nicely defined P3/P4 rear fender line. The upper part I think should be subdued or sympathetic to surrounding lines and probably close to what I've sketched.

I just hope we don't get a surprise of a Ford GT-type buttress.

 

I predict no prominent bolt on type of rear wing The rear end will most likely have a more subtle integrated aero-solution instead,

I predict an S duct or ducts at the front end, and side vents but of a different shape and greater number than the 488/F8. With a thirsty turbo and their intercoolers, prominent and multiple side vents are a given.

With the added weight of electric motors and lithium ion batteries, Ferrari will be forced to pare down weight by going carbon where possible but not the central chassis. So bumpers, under-tray, hood, door skins, trunk and roof.

 

Curiosity begins to become overbearing. The wait is almost over: more or less reliable sites and magazines talk about Wednesday, May 29th at 7.30pm (time from here, Italy). I assume it is an invitation presentation but also a presentation on the web, for us mere mortals. I'd like to start seeing small teasers on social media, some clues.

Do you remember the presentation of the FF? It would be nice to be able to participate in a live show like that.

FF was revolutionary for Ferrari. BB could be revolutionary again for Ferrari.

Recently it also happened with Monza.

 

[emoji12]I still own a T with just 7,000km...Certainly not a looker, but a lovely car to drive...The T is a massive improvement on the QV and in my opinion drives better than the 328 and the early 348s.

 

Everyone is making this thing sound like Ferrari’s Senna... Fast, spuriously expensive and ugly.

Personally I am hoping for a car which evokes the performance philosophy of the F40 but with a modern powertrain and the style of a racer. Not long to wait!

 

Not sure where your getting the idea of people wanting a Ferrari Senna from. Plus why would we want that? Ferrari has been making Customer track cars well before the Senna was even an idea. The Senna is not a Hybrid so no point comparing them. This is Ferrari's big move into this new format, instead of wasting time and money developing an old format that sadly has no future due to changes in the world and their new supporting laws and regs. I think this will give Ferrari a massive head start.

 

Talk of the car looking like a ‘spaceship’ has me thinking. The camouflaged mules don’t look especially different to the standard mid V8 form of most manufacturers. Therefore it would be what is not under the shape rather than what is. In other words, the holes that we can’t see - major aero? That would make sense - more speed, more weight, aero lends a helping hand. The battery weight has only one advantage - it could theoretically be positioned in many places for better weight distribution, both horizontally and vertically. I wonder if there is significant active aero on this car and maybe the ‘what is not there’ has to do with some newer and more aggressive aero ideas for a Ferrari production car such as more open areas towards the underneath (thus aiding battery cooling too)?

This car is not a Senna but it is a 1,000hp Ferrari. It has to do well on track and if it has weight disadvantage that is overcome by power, aero needs to be very high otherwise its track feel will be good but marred by weight. This all supposing that the claim of 1,000kg must be wrong and cannot be reached. If they miraculously find a way to do that (can’t see how) then this would be a hard car not to buy.

 

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Get ready. Two days to go ！

 

Another thought; this car seems to be an example of Ferrari forward-thinking. It must have been conceived three or four years ago and there have been odd mules (the strange 458 for example) around for that period of time with people suggesting it could be some form of hybrid. The advent of electric cars means that massive power, but especially torque, will become comparatively cheap in the future therefore every manufacturer will be able to easily put a car into production that can accelerate very rapidly indeed. Someone needs to write the rules for what a supercar is in this coming age of huge accelerative performance. Hadn’t it ought to be Ferrari? This product presentation could be very interesting indeed! People talk about Ferrari being left behind - which has always been nonsense - unlike some others, this looks very much to me like a true example of careful and thoughtful leadership. We’ll see.

 

I think it’s the back of the BB (Proportion are off a bit and the lights will be smaller but they have really messed with the original for this image. But I think this quick play around gives just a very basic ver on the final rear shape)


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That little arc in the back reminds of P4
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx6lr4IFnlv/?igshid=e82csii4jlae

 

I think with this car Ferrari is looking for some blow-out headline performance figures, raise the tech bar to a new level, and monetise quickly the first mover advantage (McLaren is perhaps a few months behind). That would partly explain the unprecedented size of the launch event for a car with such a price tag - dealers will be tapping up deposits in short order. To Ferrari investors this would be a "shock and awe" statement: almost a billion euros of revenues assembled within 3 days under a white marquee.

I expect that weight is not the primary focus as the tech needs to evolve before we can have a Senna-like car. It is also worth recalling the LaFerrari is actually quite a heavy car, yet it's poise and balance let alone power on the track completely belies the 1700kg we have weighed it at when we have had one at some of our track sessions in Italy. I would absolutely love to see Ferrari make a Senna-like car. Of the cars I have owned, it is the closest in spirit to the F40 - a back to back session on the track with the two is magical. I suspect we will need to wait for a future iteration of the hybrid to get such a car though.

BTW, I think it is more of a spaceship inside than out.

 

From being currently involved in a couple of battery/hybrid projects (non-auto) I can say that batteries are heavy and not a solution onto itself unless you take advantage of the benefits of electric power by downsizing the heat engine components, electrically power some powertrain elements and beyond that, mitigate the extra weight of the batteries by reducing weight elsewhere.

Very much BB. photo is quite distorted by wide-angle shot and the taillights and exhaust have been blacked out.

Agreed. That arc was visible on some mules. It also looks lower that the roof line hence my prediction it's J50-like.

 

Agreed. @REALZEUS showed us what a spaceship looks like from the outside and I don't think we want that, LOL.

 

More or less this but with more regular shaped rectangular lights:
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Do you think BB might have a vertical rear window that could be opened like a spider but a solid roof?
Neat drawing yet again!

 

Just realized this was posted by Ferrari themselves. Wait is almost over, two more days and everyone will finally see it.

 

Thanks, it's a crop of a drawing I posted a while ago. Forgot to mention that the lights will probably be "rounded" rectangles so as to more gently transition from current round ones.

Pretty sure it will be vertical or near vertical. Whether it opens depends on the angle (what it needs to clear inside) and if it wraps around the sides which will make opening it difficult.