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  1. Flavio_C

    Flavio_C Formula 3
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    What's the "Italian" approach? Curious to know what it is. Where in Great Britain can we get "collaborative set of minds"? At Mclaren? At Williams? At Red Bull? :p

    Like Jock Clear?

    ;)

    Why it's hard to keep talented people in Italy? Unless you have family members you need to closely look after in GB, why would you prefer to live in GB instead of Italy? The food is worse, the weather is worse, the traffic is worse, the touristic choices are worse, women are wor... Ops.. :D

    Considering that in F1 you are racing in Europe at least 11 weeks per year, I believe it's a bit difficult to have a team headquarted in Charlotte or Tokyo. Audi, Porsche, and now Toyota have all won Le Mans with their operations based in Germany, not GB.

    Don't take me wrong, GB is indeed the epicenter of motorsport but claiming that if Ferrari was based in GB it would better off, come on guys, that's not smart.
     
  2. DeSoto

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    At Britannia everybody feels safe and happy.
    Ask Zack Brown for further reference.

    Anyway, these guys were not at the very top, not a dramatic change.
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    In my opinion you have isolated the critical and concerning difference between the clear best team and Ferrari.
     
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  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Don't get me wrong, but I can see several reasons why talented engineers/technicians would prefer to locate/stay in UK than in Italy, and it has nothing to do with food, sunshine, women, etc ...
    There are more choice of companies versed into motor racing in UK, not only in F1, but in other sectors., so more chance of work and probably better pay.
    8 of the 10 F1 teams have bases in UK, against one in Italy, and one in Switzerland, right ?
    There are more suppliers, subcontractors, composite experts, race engineering firms in UK than in Italy, I guess.
    Apart that Italian culture is different, transplanting one's family here would a massive step.
    Most engineering jobs in F1 are only temporary (like at Ferrari ! ), so you would have to move your family back home once the contract ends, to find a similar position.
    The family may like holidaying in Italy, but living there is a different proposition: language, education system, medical cover, etc ... have to be considered .

    But in the opposite, the reasons why an Italian team would decide to locate in UK are quite valid.
    I don't know if Ferrari would do that, or if it would solve its problems though.
     
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  5. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Race strategy is not an element that needs to evolve. It's something that can change quickly and largely done by planning and consensus. In this regard Binotto has failed miserably. A rubbish car can't be changed overnight, but determining race strategy....and planning for contingencies based on changing race conditions......can be.
     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Oh I agree when it comes to race strategy. But again, do you still keep the same people in play or get rid of them. Binotto was handed this "ineptness".

    Jock Clear, after all his years in F1, tells Leclerc at the MonacoGP after the weigh bridge debacle "I think you can go" instead of taking responsibility and say "You go now!!"

    This is'nt new regarding Ferrari's strat calls in 2019.

    Binotto has taken responsibility and has addressed this issue as posted by @DF1 in the Monaco race thread.
     
  7. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    We have heard it bandied about that the "concept" of the car is wrong.
    Note: Ferrari has been at the top of the charts where their top speeds are measured.

    This is mealy mouthing for: We designed the car for higher top speeds (i.e., lower drag) at the expense of ultimate downforce.

    At the start of the hybrid era, the cars had roughly 800 HP, and slightly slippery cars were the way to go.
    Now with 1000 HP at the right foot, one no longer needs to save 10 HP of drag for a KPH of top speed, one can directly expend the HP into downforce.
    Higher drag and higher downforce is the winning combination right now.

    This is also what is fundamentally wrong with the Williams car, too.
     
  8. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    On modern tracks, there are in fact less long straights to worry about for top speed.
    What is important is high downforce to provide strong grip for acceleration and high corner speed.
    The cars with the highest top speed are often not those with the best lap times.
     
  9. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I think that Binotto is not capable beyond being a highly skilled technician. I don't think he is a management type beyond, perhaps, supervising a group of technicians or engineers. The tipoff was the talk of his "popularity" with the race team when his promotion was announced. I think they see him more as a relief from the Marlboro Man as opposed to someone who's going to lead them out of the wilderness. Just my opinion as a (very) distant observer.
     
  10. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Ferrari fired the guy that produced their only clear WCC contender in years. Binotto is firing tech people...why? The car isn't up to pace, but it isn't #3, either. Binotto isn't firing anyone on the pitwall. Why? It has been their problem for years. The very clear course of action is to fire EVERYONE on the pitwall today and get the new people ready for next year since this season is clearly blown.

    Once again, Ferrari running around making all the wrong decisions.

    Also, Binotto may have inherited a bad pitwall, but he hasn't done a single thing about it. They are worse than they have ever been, and he's telling us they are ok. It is Binotto's call to favor Vettel who has proven that he cannot bring the team titles. SV alone lost the WCC/WDC last year, and Binotto's only thought is to favor him? Please. Ferrari will do nothing but go backwards with this guy in charge.
     
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  11. Jakuzzi

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    "Italianess" at its finest ;)
     
  12. Bas

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    What a load of tosh.
     
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  13. CeroEspada

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    Hmmmmm, those names are not from the Strategy Department. Ferrari executives need an emergency conference call and actually ask legitimate questions about what is wrong internally.
     
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  14. daytona355

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    Absolutely, the UK is a wet, windy, socialist leaning, xenophobic dump, with little going for it unless you are an immigrant looking for a free ride. When it crashes out of Europe, it will be a true laughing stock! I love ferrari, and I would never want it to leave its roots and culture and move the f1 department out of Italy. At the moment, they aren’t getting it right, but as we saw from the hiring of Brawn, Byrne, Schumi and Todd in the mid-90’s, Italy can, have and will again become a powerhouse of F1. The only problem we have is how quickly or slowly Binotto will work to bring the team around
     
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  15. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    Yep, we obviously live in a world without DHL and other courier services to deliver parts, the internet to order them, and Rosetta Stone must’ve given up doing italian language courses..... bloody hell, things are changing for the worse.

    Reasons to live in Italy

    FERRARI
    The food
    The drink
    The gorgeous ladies
    The culture
    The beautiful language
    DUCATI
    ALFA ROMEO
    LAMBORGHINI
    PAGANI
    MASERATI
    Cops encourage you to speed in a fast car, ours are just ****s
    The architecture
    The weather

    And a million other positives....


    Reasons to move to Britain....... hmmm, um, well, we speak English so no language to learn, no shortage of girls with daddy issues and loose panties (as long as you can put up with their arrogance and drinking) but that’s about it..
     
  16. WPOZZZ

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    The problem with head rolling is it will take a while for a turnaround, and we must be patient. Binotto could reconstitute the entire team, but where would he get all the talent, and the team will be even more discombobulated than they are now.
     
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  17. Hocakes

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    Tell us more about these "loose panties". [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]

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  18. WPOZZZ

    WPOZZZ F1 Veteran

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    That's from Sid putting them on.
     
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  19. Hocakes

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    [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
    Sent from my Nexus 6 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
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  20. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    His head??:eek:
     
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  21. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Ferrari made a deliberate trade-off for this performance in speed. As noted very early on this year by others and by the BBC
    'secret aerodynamicist'

     
  22. Giallo 550

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    The entire pit wall needs to be overhauled. What's Rob Smedley up to these days?
     
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  23. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it hahahahahaha, some girls love a man confident enough to try on their panties! Hehehehe
     
  24. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    Lots of girls in the UK are now binge drinkers, they go out on a Saturday night just the same way us guys do - to get laid! - and if you have the banter, you can take your pick. Unfortunately, the average Brit girl is not a patch on the average Vegas partygirl, but you have to have something to do on a weekend!
     
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