Ferrari 458/488 Paint to Sample Option & Custom Special Order Interiors

Ferrari 458/488 Paint to Sample Option & Custom Special Order Interiors

I am fairly new to FerrariChat & Ferraris. But not to the topic of Paint to Sample & custom ordered interiors in another European sport car - Porsche. I had been considering either ordering or buying a 458/488 for a while now. And this week I finally pulled the trigger on a Ferrari. I will talk about my car in a future post. But first I wanted to start this thread here at FerrariChat that I hope will bring additional information, and perhaps more interest, to the rare world of PTS & custom special order interiors at Ferrari. It would be my hope that we can keep the conversation going for a long while on this topic and bring it up to date when the new F8 Tributo starts arriving at dealers.
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I first delved a little into the topic of Ferrari Paint to Sample in a recent series of posts on this thread (post #17) here in FerrariChat:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/458-in-green.598939/#post-146572675

And in a follow-up post (#24) I wrote:

"Perhaps I should start a thread with all I have learned from my research into the fascinating world of Ferrari paint-to-sample, historical vintage colors and 'Out of Production' paint colors at this FerrariChat forum. Then others could then add to their knowledge of the subject matter & we all could learn from it. We shall see."

Well...this is that thread!

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Some of you that are Porsche enthusiasts might have seen my threads on the same topic in Rennlist. I first decided to start writing about the subject when I custom ordered a MY2012 987.2 Boxster Spyder in 2011:

https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-forum/654447-my-aqua-blue-metallic-carrera-red-12-spyder-tale-of-a-custom-order.html

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Then I started a thread on custom ordering the 991 in 2012:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/708507-custom-ordering-a-991-porsche-exclusive-and-you.html

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And then it progress into one for the Porsche gt (gt3, gt3 RS, etc) cars in 2015:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r/876206-reference-guide-to-pts.html

Altogether the Rennlist threads I have started about Paint to Sample & custom interiors have enjoyed vast readership (combined over 2 million+ views). More importantly it has generated new interest in the enthusiast community on the topic of PTS & unique custom interiors. In fact, it has been acknowledge at Porsche that these threads have had the effect of increasing demand for these formerly rare & seldom ordered options at Zuffenhausen.

These threads have reached this high level of views & popularity at Rennlist because of the important contribution from enthusiasts that have added their personal experiences & described their custom orders to it. I don't know FerrariChat very well...but my intentions here are the same as I had at Rennlist when I started writing there about these topics. That is to post accurate information about these rare options & encourage the participation of all members of the forum in building a body of knowledge on the topic that is informative and also interesting to read. Let's see if we can all make it so! Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale, Arizona

 

Challenge: Maybe you didn't read in full my initial posting but I have already bought a Ferrari and I am not planning to order a new car from factory at this time. The purpose of this thread is to discuss & learn about the PTS & custom interior options from members like you & others that have ordered rare specs or folks like me that have investigated the topic because we were interesting in buying something 'unusual' in a Ferrari.

By the way not all unusual special orders come via Atelier in Maranello or Tailor Made in Ferrari New York. The idea here is to discuss these topics with the information that is available to Ferrari enthusiasts that are members of this forum. Indeed, to build my knowledge base, I had conversations David Simon of Ferrari of North Scottsdale, assorted sales staff at Ferrari of Newport Beach, Anna Lenzi formerly of Ferrari Atelier now with Risi Competizione in Houston and various staff of Tailor Made at Ferrari New York. Ultimately a knowledgeable dealer, or Tailor Made in New York or Atelier in Maranello, will have to be involved in a new custom order - that is for certain. But there is so much that we can discuss here at FerrariChat ahead of that day that will hopefully enlighten many on this topic without the necessity of visiting your local dealer, regardless how proficient he is in custom ordering. Capiche?

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

 

I will summarize shortly what I think I know about the Ferrari Paint to Sample program. It is the information I gained during the period last year when I was considering ordering a PTS MY2019 from a US dealer in the West Coast. And I also need to discuss some of the PTS 488's and 458's that I tried to buy (unsuccessfully I might add) in the past 1 1/2 years. But first let me post here about a PTS 2017 488 Spider that has just been listed for sale by a Ferrari dealer in the Southeast of the US.

Just a few days ago Ferrari of Atlanta listed this MY2017 488 Spider (see below) for sale in their website and it was rapidly picked up by all the aggregators - Autotrader, Car.com & CarGurus - that I have been following for almost two years as I explored the possibility of acquiring a 458 Spider or a 488 Spider.

The color is 'Azzuro Dino'. And it's Paint to Sample.



https://www.ferrariofatlanta.com/certified/Ferrari/2017-Ferrari-488+Spider-43e065590a0e0adf07cdfe616b664e89.htm

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Initially the dealership misnamed the color as 'Blu Mirabeau Metallic'. Here is a screenshot that I captured a few days ago that I used in my correspondence with Ferrari of Atlanta to try to get 'correct' or 'true' information on this car.


That is not the only error in their initial listing. The interior is not 'Charcoal' but 'Nero'. And it certainly doesn't have 251 miles on the odometer. After some back & forth with one of their salesman, Ferrari of Atlanta admitted to me that the odometer reads 3,210. They expect to update that information to their ad shortly. But as of this hour, it still reads 251. It also took them over 48 hours to locate the window sticker so that they could give me information on the original MSRP of the car ($370,191) & the cost of some of the options (like PTS at $26,245).


To save any of you time & trouble in case you are interested in acquiring this PTS 488 Spider, let me share with you all the Monroney Sticker and other information I have on the car.





The car is Certified Pre-Owned 'eligible'. Meaning they will do a CPO inspection & allow you to add a TWO year Ferrari Extended Warranty for a new low price of $4950. Ferrari started a new program several months ago that allows the dealer to buy the Extended Warranty on a CPO eligible used car for $4950 for the first year and Ferrari includes a second year at no extra cost. According to the CarFax they sent me, the in-service date for the start of the original factory warranty is 5/26/2017. So the original factory warranty expires on 5/26/2020. And if the selling dealer is able to CPO this car and add the extended warranty of 2 years, the extension would go from 5/26/2020 to 5/26/2022, per what they have told me via email.

Here is the CarFax that Ferrari of Atlanta is providing:

https://www.ipacket.info/ZFF80AMA0H0226466#Carfax

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Personalization Specifications as sent to me:





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The car also has unusual Goldrake racing seats in what looks like a different pattern inlays rather than 'standard' or 'Daytona' examples...which I think are quite attractive.



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The only non-factory original detail that I can see from a casual observation of the photos & cross-checking the options ordered are the 'painted' wheels. I think these were painted after delivery.


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If I had not already finalized a deal on the Ferrari I bought the week, this vehicle would have certainly been a 'contender'. I hope it finds a home here with a FerrariChat member. I have no affiliation with the selling Ferrari dealer or any other connection or incentive to post this. This is just for information of this unusual MY2017 PTS 488 Spider in the market at this time.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

 

Ferrari Paint to Sample (Extra Campionario) Option on the Ferrari 488 Model

For the MY2019 488 model I was told by a reputable Ferrari dealer (that checked with Ferrari USA) that the Paint-to-Sample option (e.g. 'Azzuro Dino', 'Mexico Blue', 'Signal Green Verde') would cost $26,998. There has been a slight increase in price over the years. For MY2017, it appears that the cost of 'Extra Campionario' was only $26,245. And it appears to have been much less in the 458 years.

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My understanding is that if a car is built as PTS (Extra Campionario), the 'personalization specifications' plate on the 488 trunk will say 'Extra-Range' or 'ExtraCampiona' as the 'exterior' hue. But the actual color name (e.g. 'Azzure Dino') will not be identified on neither that front trunk plate nor the Monroney Sticker. See the the specifications plate and Monroney on the 'Azzure Dino' 2017 488 Spider that I previously posted earlier today.

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For the same model, there is a category called 'Ferrari Historical Colours' option (e.g. 'Dino Rosso', 'Canna di Fucile', 'Verde Racing Green') that cost only $12,486. Although for '19 it might have been raised to $13,500. But I need verification on that increase. This option is also known as 'Out of Production Paint Colors' and code PNTH.

As far as I could tell the list of 'Historical' colors for MY2019 (and perhaps for all 488 model years) included the following:

Avorio
Rosso Fiorano
Rosso Dino
Grigio Ferro
Grigio Scurro
Rosso Mugello
Azzuro California
Canna Di Fucile
Blu Scozia
Verde British Racing
Rosso Barchetta
Rubino Micalizzato
Celeste Metallic
Azzuro Metallic
Avio Metallic
Azzuro Monaco
Blu Nart8
Blu Le Mans
Verde Abetone
Verde Zeltweg
Vinaccia
Grigio Medio

This list is considerable more extensive than what was listed by Ferrari in the 'configurator' at their official website. My dealer did NOT have the complete list. After various inquiries, I was able to get the list above from the 'Tailor Made' office at Ferrari New York.

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For the 'Ferrari Historical Colours' the Personalization Specification will also say 'Extra-Range' as the 'Exterior' hue. But listed under options underneath will be 'PNTH' as the code and 'Ferrari Historical Colours' as the option's name. And the vintage color is listed (e.g. 'Rosso Dino') to its right.

The Monroney Window Sticker will identify the PNTH historical color as 'Special', 'Extra-Range' or 'ExtraCampiona'. But normally it will NOT list the actual 'Ferrari Historical Colours' by name on the
window sticker.

To see a sample of a 'Ferrari Historical Colours', check out the 'Personalization specifications' plate and the Monroney window sticker on the MY2017 'Dino Rosso' 488 Spider at this link:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=498430513&zip=85262&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D85262%26listingTypes%3DUSED%26startYear%3D2007%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceDESC%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D50%26marketExtension%3Don%26endYear%3D2017%26modelCodeList%3DFER488SPI%26makeCodeList%3DFER%26searchRadius%3D0&listingTypes=USED&startYear=2007&numRecords=25&firstRecord=50&endYear=2017&modelCodeList=FER488SPI&makeCodeList=FER&searchRadius=0&clickType=listing

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Google translates the Italian 'Extra Campionario' to the English 'Extra Sample Book'.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale, Arizona

 

Did you meant to say 'looks like an ad'? If so you would be dead wrong. The purpose of that post was to inform the forum about a particular PTS 488 that is for sale. They don't come up that often...so it's a rather rare event. I will also be discussing other PTS cars that have been for sale in the past and that I have tried to buy. It will say where (dealers) they were listed at and what was being asked for them. Those have already been sold so it's a historical account. Just as this 'Azzure Dino' 488 Spider will shortly sell (I am sure) and this post will provide historical evidence of its spec/pricing for the purposes of building a data base of PTS Ferrari 458 & 488 here in FerrariChat. And I hope others post about their experiences in either considering buying, or actual purchasing, a PTS Ferrari. And to do this intelligently, we need to provide basic data on the cars when they appear on the market.

Again, the purpose of this thread is to investigate the opaque world of PTS at Ferrari, just as we have been discussing the same topic at Porsche for years. I have no affiliation with Ferrari of Atlanta or any other dealer. Finally, I suggest you read what one member of this forum already wrote about me in a previous thread:

"Welcome to Fchat. For those who don’t know, he is a true guru in all things custom in the Porsche/Rennlist world! We welcome your expertise here as well and hope you find that special car."

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/458-in-green.598939/#post-146572675

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

 

Maybe this thread isn't your cup of tea, Challenge. But I hope
that others will read what I am posting & perhaps understand
what I want to 'talk' about. It is pretty clear & well articulated.
That reader is probably not you. And I was not trying to be
condescending....but factual. I am not ordering a car so I
didn't need for you to direct me to your 'experienced dealer'
at Penske that helped you with your Tailor Made custom order.
I think you misunderstood my original post and I think you
misunderstand my intentions for writing this thread. I will
continue to be as straight forward as I can to make sure there
is (hopefully) less misunderstanding of what I write among
the readers here at FerrariChat. But it all starts with a willingness
to read fully what it's posted before responding to it and also to
give someone the benefit of the doubt...specially if one is new
to this forum & has a new topic to discuss. What you & Mandalay
are insinuating by saying that what I wrote re: the 'Azzure Dino'
looks like an 'ad' is offensive...and meant to throw aspersions on
me and my motives for starting this thread. And I hope this unfair
treatment stops.

All true. But I still think there is a lot to discuss about the PTS
process at Ferrari, the costs, the options, etc. Hope you will
agree to continue to participate in the discussion.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

 

You are so right...his name is Gary Simon. And It's just 'Scottsdale
Ferrari'. I stand corrected.

And if we are going to talk about 'name dropping' & 'condescending'
in the same sentence, let's see again you original post to judge you
by those same standards:

We may have here a case of a 'pot calling the kettle black'.

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I have my own opinion too. And I will decide what to post & when.

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Maybe not you. But does that mean it's not allowed? The purpose
of listing my threads at Rennlist is simply to let the readers know
that I have some experience writing about the subject matter, that
is all.

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Maybe you are unaware but one of the most successful threads in
Rennlist is one dedicated to telling forum members what interesting
cars are presently on the market. The thread is called 'Hot For Sale'
and has over 2,393,515 views. And not a week goes by where a
member thanks the forum for giving them a heads up on a car they
went on to purchase as a result of that 'alert'.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-221/

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The original ad by Ferrari of Atlanta sucked. It was wrong on the
colors and it was wrong on the miles. In their description it didn't
list the original MSRP, a list of the options or a photo of the important
'Personalization Specifications' plate in the front trunk. Even today,
several days after I made them aware of the wrong mileage on their
ad, they still haven't corrected it. Nor are there any photos of the
'Personalization Specs' or Window Sticker on any of their ads. Since
I had been sent that already by countless emails back & forth with one
of their salesmen, I decided to post this valuable information at this
forum to give a leg-up to a potential buyer from FerrariChat. These
might help them make a quick decision on whether or not to pursue
this purchase. That is the helpful kind of 'stuff' people in Rennlist do
for their fellow forum members. And that is the helpful kind of 'stuff'
that I intend to do here at FerrariChat when I see an interesting 'Extra
Campionario' 458 or 488 for sale that I want to bring to the attention
of my fellow Ferrari forum members.

And whether you like it or not Mandalay, I will continue to do so unless
it's a violation of rules at FerrariChat. We have moderators for that job.
If they think it's a violation, then they will ask me to remove the post or
they will do it themselves. But it's not up to you to decide that for me or
for anyone else in the forum.

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My name is Eduardo Venegas and I live in Scottsdale. I sign
all of my post with my given name and location. Always..and
I have been doing so at both FerrariChat and Rennlist since
I joined both forums.

Sameer knows who I am and have met me at Southwest
Scuderia events in North Scottsdale and at the McLaren
720S Spider intro at OTTO near Scottsdale Airpark.
My email is <[email protected]> and anyone is
able to contact me if they have any questions or issues.

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End of story? Not really. As you will see from other posts above
by folks that are posting on this thread, I don't believe many here
know the extend of all the 'Ferrari Historical Colours' that are
available from Ferrari and yet are NOT listed in the official Ferrari
'configurator'. So I don't see the problem with discussing these
matters here in the forum. You might know all about 'Extra
Campionario' Sam, but some are not fully informed on the
subject and might find this thread of some value!

Tell me what you believe is the official term of it by Ferrari and
I will use it. How about 'Extra Campionario'?

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

 

Tom:

As of last summer 2018 (for MY2019 models) I was told that all of the 'Ferrari Historical Colours'
that I posted on post #6 were the same price - $12,486. The only confusion is that one Ferrari
official my dealer contacted responded that he thought the prices now were $13,500. Since I
finally gave up on the allocation, I never verified if the price for MY2019 was $13,500 or $12,486.

Avorio
Rosso Fiorano
Rosso Dino
Grigio Ferro
Grigio Scurro
Rosso Mugello
Azzuro California
Canna Di Fucile
Blu Scozia
Verde British Racing
Rosso Barchetta
Rubino Micalizzato
Celeste Metallic
Azzuro Metallic
Avio Metallic
Azzuro Monaco
Blu Nart8
Blu Le Mans
Verde Abetone
Verde Zeltweg
Vinaccia
Grigio Medio

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I don't know anything about 'Vinaccia'. But I did get some additional information on 'Azzuro Monaco'
as that was one of two colors on the list (the other being 'Blue Nart') that I asked my various sources
to provide me with more information. Here is what a person that previously worked at Atelier in Maranello
and now was in Houston explained to me about that color in her own words. My questions are in blue and
her response in yellow highlight.

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Here is the sample that she sent me that I believe represents 'Azzuro Monaco'.
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As an aside, I don't believe my dealer at the time had a copy of those 'Ferrari Historical Colours' samples, which are known in the Ferrari world apparently as the PNTO catalogue. That would have saved me a lot of time & effort in trying to find out about what these colors actually looked like.

I hope this is of some help, Tom!

Capisco all too well, Challenge. Thank you for your warm welcome here at FerrariChat. See you
around the hood...I hope.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale