Lewis Hamilton

Ok, if you need that to justify for yourself why your buddy was beaten IN HIS PRIME by Rosberg so be it... but please tell me how often Schumacher was beaten before his retirement by any of his team mates and you have your answer. Lewis was twice...

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+1 Agree.
I recall a quote by Dr. Ferry Porsche a few decades ago regarding F1. He said, "Formula 1 is for the fantasies of engineers."

 

Sorry sunshine, it’s not you, it’s me, I’m bored.

On a brighter note, met the great Pete Singhof today, chewed the fat about ferrari, fchat and his knowledge of classic cars of all eras. We were stood outside the Ferrari hospitality, and I think a few people the other side of the fence must’ve been Elton fans cos they weren’t laughing as hard as we were discussing the sort of stuff that gets posted on here nowadays!

Now I know the face behind the knowledge, and he knows the face behind the clown!



Oh, and mods please note, regardless of who says it is in their language/country/schoolyard, calling someone sunshine is not a personal attack nor offensive term. My dad calls me sunshine quite a bit!! Therefore if as I expect the report button gets pressed by the usual suspects, now you know they are bullshitting

 

Agreed and this is why I don't consider Hamilton to be all time great or even top 5. The drivers do not matter as much today.

I think we should not waste anymore time with KTU, lets move on. He has no idea what he is talking about.

 

Was a pleasure to meet you Sid. And I hope you had a closer look at the 5 championship winning Ferrari of Michael lined up...quit a view...

PS: if I ever have problems with the Italian mob I will call you [emoji3]

 

When I post i usually just repeat what Alonso and others have said, that Hamilton is an all time great. So you are basically saying F1 drivers have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Of you only repeat what others say, what do we need you for then ????? A parrot would do as well, even when you quote Michael wrong....

 

Do you know F1 has always been the fore front of tech? So you would be including a lot of greats with that statement. I had a close look at Schumi's 2001 F1 car and i stood there a long time just trying to understand all the technical attributes.
Vettel, Hamilton, Kimi are some of the Veterans of the field who has won championships before this high downforce hybrid era. Hamilton is the only driver to win a championship in both hybrid and non hybrid era

 

Good to hear you two met up, sounds like it was a great time

 

Another senseless argument to promote Lewis WDCs....Apart from Nico and Bottas nobody could have won a WDC in the hybrid era as only Mercedes won in this time, Nico beat Lewis to a WDC in the same car and Bottas is a butler. So I do not see why this is a fact worth mentioning...

 

Well done guys.

 

Exactly. Times have changed. Gone are the days of testdrivers doing tons of developing earning them a regular spot like Hill or regular drivers putting in the time and feedback to allow the team to go from mid-pack to championship winners like Schumacher. What the current crop is doing is closer to what Prost and Senna did; figure out who has the fastest car and go drive for them to earn your WDC with the help of a bit of politics. A bit 2-dimensional. At best.

Too bad the regulations just award those able to throw money at it, even more so than before, while also quickly stopping any significant new tech from being applied.

 

If Lewis were to drive for and win the Championship in a Ferrrai he would

Ferrari was certainly capable of winning the WDC in 2017 and 2018. I suspect if Lewis (or perhaps Alonso) were in the cockpit, they would have sealed the deal, and fairly comprehensively...

 

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Now alonso is getting brought back into it, had we suggested alonso was a match for Elton up until now, it would have been attack mode from the fanboys..... now he’s the equal.

The 2017 car was nowhere near a title winner, were you watching a different series? The ferrari last year was hobbled by the FIA removing and modifying various aspects of our car, ultimately removed our competitiveness. As a result, ferrari were unable to maintain their competitiveness, while Mercedes were gifted the tyres they needed to regain their edge, and of course, ran their special wheels knowing they were likely illegal, only removing them once the titles were mathematically won.

Making stuff up when we all know the facts isn’t really that impressive.

 

And to meet you Pete! Don’t worry, anyone upsets you, they’ll sleep with the fishes, I’ll send Luca and his Albanian squad!

 

Nope, I was watching the series in which Vettel/Ferrari were leading the WDC after round 12 of 20...

 

Due to their earlier results prior to the FIA banning parts and allowing Merc their new tyres, effectively ****ing everyone else except Mercedes. It’s a championship, it consists of the results of all the races, not the first 12

 

And then Ferrari did develop in the wrong direction... why do you think this would have not happened if Lewis or Fred were sitting in that car???
But anyway: according to your co-pilot we deal with real-life scenarios and not with should/would/could [emoji57] so saying Lewis/Fred would have won is pointless and no more than an opinion

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That was 2018, not 2017...you mentioned 2017 specifically, saying the car was "no where near a title winner" - whereas Vettel/Ferrari were very much in the mix (and leading the championship as late as round 12) until things really went off the rails in Singapore.

As is saying the Mercedes was the only car capable of winning the WDC in the hybrid era. That's an opinion... and the point I was responding to.

 

No, Mercedes being the only car winning in the hybrid era is a fact...

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Mercedes is the only car that's won a title in the hybrid era....agree... fact
Mercedes is the only car capable of winning the title in the hybrid era...that's an opinion, and far from a definitive one.

Again, that's an opinion.

 

What car scored a resounding massive number of points compared to the rest? Mercedes.... while the beginning of both seasons, Mercedes struggled with tyres, and the rest had an opportunity to progress, once the fix came in for Mercedes, they returned to their overall dominance and annihilated everyone. Neither championship was even close.... or are you saying getting the titles with a handful of races to go is what you think of as a close season? Millions of us don’t. You really do need to take on board the opinions of the vast majority of commentators and team members, not just the posts of other Elton fans, you’d pick up quite a lot. In fact, if it’s such an open thing, I’ll have £500 with you that Mercedes win the titles this year.... if they don’t, I’ll give you personally £1000 to do with what you want. If they don’t, you give £500 to a charity of MY choice? Deal? Or do you agree that the titles are a foregone conclusion?

At Ferrari, I have not spoken to a single person who believes we had a fair chance of a title in the last two years, and this year with the pireMerc spec tyres, they are crestfallen and completely handcuffed in development terms, especially with our concept being wrong as well. The MOST Ferrari acknowledge is that they will be second in the championship, and will pick up the odd win whether when there’s a problem for others, or when we have a miracle circuit that suits our cars.

There are people here like Pete, Bas and a few others that have more technical knowledge and more insider information that’s you realise, so even if you try to create arguments with me in order to ignore the facts, you really would be wise listening to what they say without your Elton-coloured glasses on and seeing the true picture, you may be surprised at their knowledge and insight

 

In general (ie, not aimed at anyone in particular, this isn’t personal to to anyone so please don’t make it such), I really don’t enjoy arguing constantly with Elton’s fans as it bores me to have to keep repeating facts to thwart the same old rubbish, but they have to understand, they act like every post that is positive about Ferrari, Michael, Seb, Chas or even Mick Schumacher is a personal slight on their opinions that must be addressed, and then when they don’t get the answer you want, and of course, the only acceptable answer is to be in agreement with the obsession, they degenerate things into an argument designed to attract any comment that even slightly could be construed as a personal attack to try to get the poster banned.

I’m well aware of the rather weak excuses made in numerous reports about me, I’ve been accused of all sorts from calling people names to eating kittens! In actual fact, I post mainly for a giggle at f1 and the state of ferrari at the moment, intermingled with either my own observations or sometimes information gleaned from those I know at ferrari and other teams. When I’m responding to most of the Elton fans, sometimes it’s very clear that a joke, or a sarcasm, or just a witty repartee is taken as some kind of personal slight. If it was, they would be able to sue me, of course, and I’d love to go to court with someone that tells the judge - ‘but he called Lewis dumdum/Elton/hambone/dipstick it’s so offensive, and he said Mercedes are dominant in f1 at the moment, but judge it’s only because of Elton, he’s so cool and godlike’ as the judge would likely award me costs and compensation!

 

I would of course not take that bet, because I believe it to be a total loser.
In 2019 Mercedes - imo - have the strongest technical package and management, along with the strongest driver on the grid.

Since we both at least proclaim to find the back and forth tedious - how about an alternate personal challenge then? Since it's a non-gp weekend - how about 1 week, total cessation of commentary re: Lewis Hamilton. That's absolutely no mention of him overtly or otherwise. No nicknames. No allusions. No cryptic comments that may or may not be about him. That includes not only the F1 forum but all other forums on Ferrari chat. You will not mention him, and I will not mention him (+ anyone else that might wish to take part.) If you're up to this, let's agree to an official start time, or discuss any other parameters you have in mind.

 

Clearly, that would not be a fair concept, as we still have to listen to all your fellow fans banging on about him, so what’s the point?

If it’s, you don’t mention your posts, and I don’t mention yours, then no problem... that’s the only fair one, unless every Elton fanboy agrees the same as you, then I’m sure ferrari tifosi would be happy not to hear about the donut for a week at least. The problem that who”d come up is how vague references are.... you can hardly talk f1 without mentioning ferrari, Elton, Seb etc, given as a race weekend is all about where they are etc. It’s not practical

Nicknames are a common factor in alll walks of life, so nicknames can’t be included in any sensible challenge, as I’m referred to as lucky by most of my friends, they wouldn’t be able to remember to change the way they address me if they wanted too. Similarly, giving people nicknames isn’t offensive unless you call someone an offensive term, and even then, if you aren’t speaking directly to them, they can’t really get offended

How about £500 Mercedes win more of the next ten races than anyone else... surely with things so close in the title race as far as you are concerned, you should see you have a good chance, I’m betting on Merc, you can bet on nine teams all at once!