07294 "chairs & flairs", but no chairs!

Interesting lot this one:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ferrari/246-dino/1973/701366?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Classic%20Driver%20Daily%202782019&utm_content=Classic%20Driver%20Daily%202782019+CID_d913c2316bb2b4694aeebf91adfface2&utm_source=newsletter

Very low mileage (7,798 - only 1,500 since 1982). Delivered as C&F, but original "Daytona" seats replaced with black plastic ones. Estimated at £390-450K ($480-555K).

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nice... I like flares with a GT...

 

Any evidence that it ever had beige Daytona seats as claimed?

 

Good question. The auctioneer states that it was delivered with Daytona seats and implies that this is evidenced by the Maranello records. Once upon a time one could rely on auctioneers' descriptions as being accurate, but these days I would not be so sure. Caveat Emptor!

 

What would the likelihood be for someone to change from Daytona pattern leather to heat seamed vinyl including the door panels?

 

I was thinking the same.

 

You’d be surprised what some, even Ferrari owners, will do to save a £/$/€ or two.
Heck, plenty of evidence can be found on this web forum alone.

OTOH, this wouldn’t be the first time auction description/details could be considered questionable.

 

I have "rarely" heard that the Daytona seat is not for everyone.

Someone could have "dealer swapped" them at purchase or just after for a number of reasons?
I guess you buy the car and order a set from Classiche.

Who will call down the street and get a set started...LOL!

 

Only the desire for a color change would have driven the door panels, IMO

 

Today, most likely wouldn’t happen.

Years ago? Unknown, but imagine before one knew what the original specs were, and had a worn interior that looked like crap.

Let’s replace it!!! What are our options? The “original style” seats or making it look like some weird version of what we had? Let’s go for original!

Today’s view point is far different from 10 years ago, 20 years ago and 30 years ago.

For me, the real question is how old is this interior and has this been confirmed to have a serial number that supports a chairs option.

What we know about serial numbers today, didn’t exist in the recent years past. No way any common Dino person would have known years ago.

Shawn

 

It would be surprising if the seats in a car that had done less than 6,000 miles were so worn as to need replacement. I can only assume that it was a whim of the owner to change the colour of the interior (if the car really had been delivered with the Daytona seats) and he was a bit of a cheapskate (or maybe a vegan!).

 

My database records 07294 as being delivered in Rosso Chiaro 20 R 190 with Beige VM3218 leather, flares and Campagnolo wheels. It doesn't look like it was optioned with Daytona seats when new. Matthias may have more info. The current vinyl interior does look like an aged original factory version. The remade Luppi version is very slightly different to the original in terms of the fit of the seat centre cushions which they have made a little too narrow on the front under thigh section.

 

Rosso Chiaro is correct, but original standard seats beige 430 (vinyl) according to Ferrari database

 

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/lf19/london/lots/r0060-1973-ferrari-dino-246-gt-by-scaglietti/819045

£432,500 - $555,00

good money for a flared only car

Needs some TLC

 

That is a serious price in view of the car's apparent condition.

 

No A/C in that Dino!

 

Few GB cars did have A/C.

 

Strong money indeed! Can you enlighten me as to where this car falls down on condition?

 

Just to be clear - Are you asking us to nit pick this car apart?
Geez, nobody asks us that, usually it is "lighten up"


Rear black on valance stir you?

 

Not at all, apologies if I have offended you. I am struggling to see any glaring faults with this car.
Excuse my inexperience!

 

Sorry, "condition" was probably the wrong word. Those sort of prices usually go to cars that are in concours condition and correct to original specification. This car appears to have the wrong interior.

 

Thanks for that John.

I asked an innocent question to try to add to my knowledge of the cars and got shot down by Mr Synchro!

 

Charles, it is a very original looking car in most regards judging by the photo's. However if looking at the car from a concours judging viewpoint then a few items stand out.

• A non original stainless exhaust has been fitted.
  
• The lower satin blacking around the front clip dips too low beneath the front grille.
• The satin blacking on the rear should carry onto the lower edges of the rear flares.
• The screen wash bag is incorrect.
• The wheels look to have been restored and have a high gloss laquer finish which is incorrect.
• The door cards have been fitted with screws along the lower edge when the factory used clips hidden from site on the rear of the boards.
• The fuel tank breather hose that is normally routed along the top of the rear firewall appears to be missing.
• The tool and jack kit bag linings do not match which is unusual but could just be a case of the factory using what was to hand when the switch over was made from the brown to red lining or the owner replacing one of the bags at some point early in the car's life when they were still available as parts from the factory.

 

Thanks Iain,

I appreciate you taking the time on this. Very helpful

 

The wheels look to be reproduction as there is no Dino script on them. Pretty sure they used screws at the bottom of the doors on the later cars. My '74 GTS has screw holes in that same location as does my late series GT and a spare door I have. Also, on the later cars they routed the breather hose above and behind the hinges. It would be nice to have someone photo document a low mile, unmolested Dino for all the little details even though there were variances over the production run.