Finally tested F8 on a track!

He’s paid by Ferrari to say positive things about each new model on these forums.

 

The official figures at Fiorano support the ego of the high paying Pista customers (with the F8 only 0.5s faster than the 488 and 1s slower than the Pista) but it's been said by Ferrari drivers that when using the same tyres as the Pista, the situation is reversed with the F8 in less than 0.5s from the Pista.
Truth is, like the 488 before, the F8 is not expensive enough to be praised, no matter what it achieves; the 488 is crap compared to the Speciale for this reason (no matter how faster or more efficient it is even on a track), and the F8 cannot approach the Pista no matter what the facts are because it would upset Pista owners.
Fortunately as a 488 owner and F8 buyer I am not so sensitive and can be happy with my choices for crap cars

 

One would think so but it could be that RZ is just being somewhat overprotective and may need his blinkers surgically removed.

 

I remain pretty neutral on this but it's hard to overlook reality. So far we have media suggesting F8 is Ferrari's version of a Toyota Camry, two board members reporting a dull experience which left them unable to note any performance difference or edge over the outgoing model, so at this stage F8 doesn't look particularly exciting with or without a change in tires. And how many believe official figures anyway?

 

And yet I can't convince the wife that there's a direct correlation between powerful cars and sex...

 

They are referring to the set up, not powet. The power is identical, although the F8 has a slightly worse power/weight ratio.

Torque is a twisting force. Power is power and that's what matters at the end of the day. The 1000 HP V10 F1 engines made about 35 kg of torque only. They revved to 20,000 RPM though, thus making huge amounts of power, propelling the cars to phenomenal speeds. The video explains the relationship succinctly.

Yes, I read it. Interesting bit of information.

Dead wrong.

Told by Ferrari, but I think it was also published in the TOFM.

That is downright insulting and unless you apologise I will have to report you to the moderators.

 

maybe you just have too much torque and not enough hp in those special moments......kidding

 

"Reality" is a convenient word - one article citing the Toyota Camry, that's reality; some articles saying the F8 sounds better from the inside than the Pista, or that the F8 is noticeably lighter and faster than the 488, that's either a sign that the press cars are cheating or that the journalists are put under pressure by Ferrari to be positive...
Regarding official figures, you have a point and we have to wait for real press tests of the F8.

 

Well, to say torque is how violent it is felt and horsepower is for how long, is not entirely incorrect, but it's a very simplified explanation.

While torque is the actual power, or force applied, horsepower is a function based on a fixed time i.e. 60 seconds.

So to say that X amount of power is exerted for 60 seconds is sort of saying how much for how long.

Horsepower is simple a measure of a rotational force in a fixed time frame. For how many revolutions X amount of force can be applied within a minute, determines the horsepower.

So yes, as they say in drag racing. Horsepower might sell cars, but torque is what wins races.

 

Nah. That's no it...

 

It has nothing to do with time. It is a function of twisting force multiplied by revolutions. A good analogy is the Hammer Throw. The athlete has to swivel the hammer as hard as he can (torque), but also as quickly as possible (RPM). Only then will the hammer travel as far as possible. That is the definition of power (torque x RPM) and it is what it matters!!! I am stopping here, not wanting to get too technical with ratios...

PS: I am sad to say that Jo Sta7 has been reported, since he hasn't apologised for the inapt comment towards myself.

 

It has everything to do with time. Time is part of the total measurement. Revolutions Per Minute. Force twisted 4000 times during a 60 second period. That's your horsepower number.

Lb-Ft torque x RPM / 5252 = Bhp. Time is part of the equation.

 

Time is just a part of the equation, but the power figure is not measured over time, but at a singular point.

 

I'm aware of that and that's what I said. A function of rotational force measured over a 60 second time frame, which equates to a single data point we call Break Horsepower in this case.

Moving on

 

Jo Sta7 will be just fine.
Maybe your underwear is more than several sizes too small.

 

OK. Everyone needs to dial it back a few notches. Way too many complaints coming out of this thread.

- Don't complain about another user's comments and then characterize them as having "idiotic mindsets" in the same post.

- Don't get personal about other users, whether their motivations seem off to you or they seem overly wound up.

- Don't get wound up because another user questions your sources or interpretation of them.

- Don't be so quick to call someone a fraud when it could be an error.

- Don't take umbrage at being called a fraud when there was in fact an error.

Many of you seem determined to be confrontational and take offense and then give back what you think you've gotten in kind, which is just as inappropriate as the first cause.

 

RZ the numbers won't matter to most and, as Coincid repeatedly states it all comes down to the excitement engendered! - I agree with him 100%!

So far it's shaping up that the excitement level of F8 is a bit on the low side of the scoreboard with a member here even saying it was very dull as a special car to drive.

Pista has not had these types of experiences expressed and has generally received a big thumbs up by not only the press but (more importantly) regular people who have got to sample one.

It's pretty clear an F8 is never going to hit the high notes of Pista and is struggling even against 488 in the excitement stakes. That's not a good sign. If you have any pull with Ferrari then I suggest you take this up with them immediately! No point shooting the messengers.

Maybe the F8 sounds better inside than Pista but outside where it counts there is clearly a big issue. Also with Pista the sound can be enhanced easily inside and out. Not so with F8 sadly.

I also suspect the Journos are under pressure with F8 - and based upon history i'd be surprised if they weren't. This is where general user reviews are much more reliable.

 

I now have about 500 miles on my Pista and the sound seems to get better and better. That aside it is a blast to drive. Cant comment on the F8 expereince but personally I would rather have a 720.

 

I have not experienced the 720S, but I hear the ride is rather brutal and harsh. This is what I love about Ferrari. They make a car that handlex and drives so well, and at the same time it can really settle down when needed be. I still can't wrap my head around how they do it.

 

Go drive one and experience yourself, I bet you will be quite pleased. It is no harsh at all unless you dial it up and you are on poor roads. I've had 2 and love them. I would buy another in a minute.

 

I'm thinking much the same as you on this one Gh. If numbers were high on the list a 720 is a better proposition and, based upon 488's resale performance to date I cant imagine a 720 depreciating any worse than a F8. It would really come down to individual preference between these two now.

And, Pista has been amazing! Can't call that car dull or boring!

 

Womp womp

 

His comment was already addressed in my warning. Mocking it is not dialing it back a few notches.

30-day thread ban.

 

Just got the latest issue of Forza. F8 First Drive.

Has the same engine as the Pista, weighs about 100 kg more (220 lbs) and costs $75k less. They love the car...but Forza always thes the new Fcar.

So unless you just love the looks of the Pista, track alot (l mean ALOT) or just have $75k you need to piss away the F8 looks like a better deal to me. And this same issue has first pictures of the F8 Spider which would be my choice.

 

Depends upon what you consider a better deal. A 75k saving on a car that will depreciate like hell isn’t exactly what i’d call a good deal. So it again comes down to how the car drives and matches up to the outgoing gtb which can be bought for a pittance. I think the f8 would really need to be a car which is loved and appreciated for having a superior performance above and beyond any monitory value or mentioning.

PS. Don’t understand your reasoning behind why a Pista would need to be tracked a lot to make it worth paying 75k more than an F8 when Pista is destined to depreciate much less than F8?