wow this is really turning into another 458 stroke fest thread :)
Just to stir people up more a little bit - if 458 and 488 end up at the same price, how does it make sense for the Pista to be priced more than the Speciale medium / long term? That's a real question, why would there be eventually more difference between the 488 and Pista than between the 458 and Speciale? (today the Pista is much more expensive than the Speciale, but it's virtually new - the question is for when it will be considered as used car)
I don't know about the ultimate price delta between the Speciale and the Pista, but the difference between the 488 and the Pista is more profound than the Italia to the Speciale. Having had all of the "base" cars and then all of the LE cars, the Pista is to the 488 more like what the Scud was to the F430, or even the CS to the 360. The Speciale felt like less of a change vs the 458, an endorsement of the 458.
My thoughts. I am in the market for a 458 spider. Now, 2016 488 coupes are around the same price as many of the 458 spiders. I just don't think that 458's will continue at those levels especially after the F8's start to hit the streets. Do you really think 458's will trade for more than 488's for the next 5 years? I don't. New cars will always sell for more in the long run.
You really need to drive both and see what kind of cars you like. Driving both will allow you to figure yourself out(learn about yourself) and get to know what you like about cars, what you need in a Ferrari, and whats important in a Ferrari for you or even if a Ferrari is right for you. Like Ray says, you need to really experience both cars, like women. Both are similar yet so very different. Drive them! Renting them is a good idea actually.
lol why I haven't chimed in, you may note many of the same vocal few waxing poetic on the 458 (which is a fantastic car) There are many 488 owners happily enjoying their cars regardless of market price/"value" including myself, and who chose it over the 458 (including myself) or upgraded from 458 Value/depreciation/monetary related aspects to a car purchase are thrown out the window for me as I'd be better off giving the 300k+ to my brokerage if that were the case, and noting that life can be too short where such related aspirations or hopes may never materialize If you truly prefer the 458 to 488 I'd say go 458, and vice versa if you enjoy 488 more than 458 (but concerned about depreciation or value or anything of the sort or what the "majority" may prefer) I'd still suggest you go for 488. Drive both, back to back if you can, and go with what tugs at your heartstrings, it's why we buy these things and why I haven't paid 1 second of attention to deprecation or value of my car. My only concern and joy is seeing the odometer increase
Agreed, and I will drive both. Cant get around the fact though that I know whenever I step into my basement and see the 458 I would get the "fizz" every time, and way more than looking at the 488. Superficial yes, but all mechanicals aside, I just love the look of the 458. the choice was never in question until 488's started to hit 458 prices... or at least in the ballpark.
488 prices are heading fast towards 458, not on the contrary; 458’s prices are not rising, they are steady on current levels. Same happened with Porsche 996 vs 993... at that time looked impossible as 996 was better, faster, newer, more reliable, but... When F8 was born so early after 488 release, the latter became in no mans land... above, the F8 and below a change of era with 458. Hire both and Buy the one that makes your heart beat faster. Both are gorgeous!!!!
Most threads tend to wind up talking about depreciation and which is the better value which generally signifies the thread has run its course.
Agreed. But on the other way it is a nice discussion: who would have believed 2 years ago that shortly a 488 will be sold at same prices of a 458 ?
For clarity i had said $350k. Understand there's SD on top of that etc. So realistic that it will head towards 400k for a decent one on road. Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
Yup. And it isn't getting better. F8 will be the same. If you're paying 300 for that it's top dollar on today's scale. For this one I'd go in at least 10 to 20 lower drive away. If you're paying 400 on road then you've paid way over unless it's a 2018 with virtually no Ks and very heavily optioned.
Owned the pinnacle of the 458 run, the lovely Speciale. Owned a "base" 488; I preferred the 488. I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but there it is. I confessed before that I am a boost lover, and if ever that was clear to me, it was in the difference between the these two cars. You simply gotta drive them both with an open heart and mind, and then pick the one that makes YOU happy.
I would like to know where you are getting this info? Do you know the sales prices of these cars moving?
From my inside source who sells. 458 and 488 are way way down. Not surprising really. One only need look at the numbers of cars for sale, what the competition is asking and, the weak market conditions. It's a buyer market.
Add stamp duty $350,000 How many kms ? Owners ? First car in the series No warranty No free service Condition ?
Definitely without a doubt a buyers market but those who have to desperately have to sell their car I’m seeing states have also a bearing Great time to find the car that you want and negotiate. I can see them coming down more on the private sales but less so in the dealership But with the crash next year all these cars will become victims with the standard cars coming down the most
