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Compared to the italian press the british media are mere poodles

 

Disagree. Nobody criticises and puts negative pressure on Ferrari and its drivers more than Italian media. And Italian media is only broadcast in Italy anyway. They’re not the official feed.

 

Posts like that are not even worth re quoting, a total waste of band width, and that's putting aside most are nearly incomprehensible.

 

Your entitled to your opinion, i have seen La Stampa for sale in Singapore !

Regardless of your view, SF were extremely arrogant in not talking to any media outlets during the Arrivabene / Mattia days and the hostility erupted from there.

There are a lot of journalists in the media such as Craig Scarborough and Andrew Benson who report what they see, some on the TV channels like to stir up the **** to sensationalize the event. Keep the show going.

Most race fans can see through the BS spun out by Sky and the likes. Unfortunately we dont get CNN or Fox over here to balance the debate.

Best Regards

tony

 

Clever

 

To be fair, that article is garbage. It talks about "teams' anger" but it doesn't quote any team. It seems that the angry one is the journo.

And to be fair, part deux, in this board Italians get flak more often than the Brits without any right to defense, so hey, you reap what you sow.

 

And to be even fairer we are not talking about the Romans here and their past history or the Italian people, i dont recall any Italian being labelled garbage. The SF team (as well as Mclaren, HAAS etc) get the flak for basically chucking out well established British engineers like Brawn, Barnard, Postelthwaite, Allison from the team over many years not to mention Aldo Costa the current designer of the Merc !!

 

You´re not recalling well at all, but let´s not get into that.

Yourself are being a bit biased there: you´re impliying that when Ferrari fires British guys it´s wrong: a Brit can´t do wrong! It must be a problem of the Italian structure or whatever. British teams are firing British engineers all the time, but that doesn´t bring your attention. Brawn got ousted from Mercedes too, Barnard and Postlethwhite made lots of bad cars and run out of job at other teams, let´s not talk about Fry, and Allison had personal reasons. But hey, it must be a Italian thing.

 

Still don’t really get the point you’re trying to make. Nothing British can ever be rubbish? If anything you’re proving the bias. And Costa is neither British nor the current designer of the Merc. Works at Dallara.

 

FYI - Aldo Costa is italian !

Did they, i thought the 640 series cars were exceptional!

You should research your history a tad more

Best

Tony

 

Didnt say he was ? but he had a succesful stint at Mercedes F1 which he didnt get at SF. The point is that there were lots of international people at SF and most failed miserably.

If we are talking F! then why are most teams situated in the UK. Fact not bias!

 

You should remember the full story, not just the nice bits.

F310, do you remember that one?

P.S: yes, of course I know Costa is Italian. You forgot that he doesn't work at Mercedes anymore.

 

Another fact: all British teams have survived and thrived for the last 40 years thanks to German, French and Japanese money. It's also easier to make good cars when the engines are free.

And another one: the oldest and more succesful F1 team is not based in UK. Those Italians must have been doing something right after all.

No more bias, please.

And let's put an end to this because it's off-topic: most of the time I don't agree with Pedro's overexuberant messages and this is not an exception , but it also reminds me when the British Parliament made a protest because in the USA they'd made a movie about the American Revolution and the British were the bad guys. British had made dozens of books and movies were the Germans, the French, the Spanish, the Russians and even the Apaches were the bad guys. And for one time that the Brits had to deal with that kind of **** they felt abused. Aaargh!

 

Of course i do, but up against the FW18 it was no match, but it did win a total of 8 Grands Prix, 22 podiums, 7 pole positions and 172 points, the Byrne / Brawn evolution/s thereafter were much better.

Tony

 

Crikey , get it off your chest!

Totally agree, as a lifetime supporter of the SF team i agree wholeheartedly. F! would be dead in the water without it.

Now, most teams survived because of major sponsorship, the reason why the likes of Renault / Mercedes / Honda etc dabbled in F1 engines in the early years was for knowledge, nothing to do with supporting British teams. Sponsorship played a bigger role and the more successful you were the more money you got - simple.

There and I thought hollywood made most of the westerns and films about the wars or Russians. Perhaps i was wrong!

Best regards and interesting debate - as you say its off topic so i'll leave there.

Tony

 

Don’t worry, Brexit will fix that.

 

No, I'm talking about the F310, not the F310B. Similar name but not related.

Even Barnard had to admit that he totally missed it with that one.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F310,

i used the word evolution very carefully

Tony

 

at least we wont be trapped in the common agriculture policy paying landowners billions £ each year!
But then we dont know where you live?
Best
tony

 

On the earth, for now. Enjoy your parsnips

 

Aha just visiting then ....

 

The British press are all men with bad teeth, disguised as French Lesbians.

 

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Well said. Basically Barnard was not renewed because they were planning to bring Brawn and Byrne on board and Byrne never really left. Allison left on his own.

All this animosity towards Ferrari just taking on Italians, I think, is from people who haven’t thought through the most probable reason why Ferrari want to staff up with local talent - because the Italians they train and nurture will remain in Italy. All the British, French (Todt) and other foreign “mercenaries” stay just long enough to make a name for themselves and then retreat to their country of origin where, obviously, they have family, feel a bigger sense of belonging, etc. It’s inevitable they’ll leave so why not plan for that.