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'95 fluid change: Coolant & freeze plugs problem

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  1. ClydeM

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    I've read posts & downloaded the DIY coolant change doc.
    It tells me to remove both block freeze plugs with a 6mm hex wrench.
    I have both a Hex wrench & a 3/8" hex socket/wrench.

    I'm going at it from below. Forget the hex wrench. I can't get any leverage to break it loose
    and I dont have space between the exhaust pipes & the plug to get the 3/8" drive into that space and again, leverage is questionable.

    How the heck do I get them out? Then...how much coolant will drain from them? is it worth it?
    It looks like it takes 3gal of coolant, but I doubt 1 drained 1.5 gallons and I know my coolant system was full.

    btw: one of my radiators was a plastic flat blade screw. The other was a 17" bolt with a rubber washer.

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. Challenge

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    Use a box end wrench with the hex to gain leverage. What comes next is similar to being under a large waterfall. My weapon of choice is a 2 ft section of rad hose that I jam up to the opening ASAP and point into a bucket. Even then it can be a mess.
     
  3. yelcab

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    I am able to get the socket in there. I guess it depends on how long the bit is with the socket. I use a flexible handle 3/8 ratchet to break it loose.
     
  4. Rifledriver

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    Those are not freeze plugs, they are drain plugs. Aluminum motors do not have freeze plugs.
     
  5. ClydeM

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    I didn't know about aluminum & no freeze plugs.

    But since most threads refer to them as freeze plugs, I thought I'd use a familiar reference.
    Thanks.
     
  6. Rifledriver

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    Well they were wrong. Let not be wrong too, familiar or not.
     
  7. taz355

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    When I drained mine I would guess about 1/2 to 3/4 of a litre on each side
     
  8. PaulK

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    Ok I got to know, why don't aluminum engines have freeze plugs?
     
  9. GTO Joe

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    Possibly because they are die-cast? "Freeze plugs" are actually used in sand casting to remove the core sand from inside the engine passages after the iron cooled and before machining. I think they got their name because they would push out if an engine didn't have enough antifreeze and and the water passages froze in cold weather.
     
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    Aren't these engines sand cast as well? I agree with why they are called freeze plugs, but with that logic you'd think they would have that in aluminum blocks as well.
     
  11. GTO Joe

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    I agree that I would say as well the blocks should be sand cast and you need to get the core sand out from those larger holes. I think the confusion from the original intent of this thread is the small plug in each side of the block used to drain coolent from the block was referred to as a "freeze plug" which clearly it is not but rather used to drain the block. I think things went off track due to semantics.
     
  12. Rifledriver

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    What are freeze plugs for?

    To pop out maybe when it gets too cold and the coolant freezes?


    Just how would that work with a screw in plug? How will it pop out?

    Aluminum motors expand too much for a pressed in plug to ever hope to stay in.

    If you really want to call a crankshaft a trailer hitch thats fine but there will be 2 problems. No one you know will understand you and half of them will just think you are illiterate.
     
  13. GTO Joe

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    Brian looks like your reading comprehension is beginning to fade. :) As I pointed out above they are used to clear core sand on an iron block and are mis-named because they do pop on an iron block engine that freezes but they do nothing to save the block from freezing.
     
  14. ClydeM

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    Holy Mackerel. I finally managed to get the block's DRAIN PLUG ( :) ) out with a long handled allen wrench and the posts dont lie. it makes a mess. One side produced about 2 qts of coolant all over the floor and myself even with a large tub under it to try & catch the fluid. I have the car on jack stands.

    Just a note - I did try to flush out the old coolant. 3 flushes draining from the radiators only and I'm still seeing a tinge of green in the drained water. I've been flushing with distilled water.
     
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    Thank you. Looks interesting
     
  17. taz355

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    You betcha
    I sure like them but they are still hard to get to without pulling headers
     

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