Trade a Speciale in for Pista?

I have a speciale (had it for five years). It's usually stored offsite from my home. I have about 8K miles on it but driven it for only 400 miles in the last year and a half.

Sound is great but gets boring after a while. I'd have no hesitation to trade it in for a Pista if it was just isolated to this decision and Speciale was the only exotic car I ever had.

 

400 miles in 18 months. Sounds like it's time to move on. 8000 miles in 5 years is generally not a lot.

 

too many cars , off site storage can create situations like this .

but , I do agree with you .

 

From some of your posts I wonder if you wouldn't enjoy the F12. Even with the stock exhaust it sounds darn good. It wont be as easy to drive as the Perf but it is fun and you have a fair amount of room for road trips.

 

Have you driven a 600LT? Prices are way down as well. One came into the shop this week and it looks incredible. At least with the 600 you get a warranty so if you plan to use it this might be a good option.

 

One of the reasons I opened up a shop. Not only can I get all of my cars serviced, detailed, upgraded, etc but I can store as well. We are already running out of space.

 

If you have a speciale, hold on to it. If you can grab one now, do it soon. While both the Pista and Speciale are exceptional, the speciale is highly coveted in the current turbocharged supercar era and it will only continue to solidify its position in the electric supercar era.

 

Most dont care whether a car is turbo charged or not.

 

That’s exactly what I did recently. While the car is incredible, and I am thoroughly smitten, I can honestly say that for those that desire extreme speed, it’s probably not your car. By modern standards of power, it’s somewhat pedestrian. The good news is, the car is easily modified for more modern power output. A tune, pulley, and x pipe adds north of 100 more HP. For now, I am enjoying the car completely stock, but when I want to feel warp thrust, I grab the keys to the 812.

Here’s my post on my 2005 Ford GT purchase experience. Not trying to hijack the thread, just trying to add input on the topic of a GT. FWIW, I wanted to spec a new Pista, but struggled to secure an allocation that was not encumbered by additional obligations.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/147079734/

 

Fixed it for you. Most people do care. This is why a 2014/2015 458 coupe is selling for more than a 2016/2017 488 gtb. It is also an additional consideration when predicting the long-term value of the Pista. You think the Pista is going to be the fastest turbo ever built? Mclaren is already doing a number on it. That doesn't make the Pista any less of a car. Turbos are everywhere. Unless you live on a track are you going to exploit the full capabilities of your superfast car? That said, I'll probably still add a Pista or Pista spider to my garage... but the truth is that the speciale is a keeeper.

 

Nah, most people dont care. You care which is fine. This is not a speed issue so dont know why you bring it up. Ive had 2 720's which are faster than a Pista so clearly its not all about speed. Its ultimately about what the individual wants and enjoys. You are speaking for "most" people which is absurd. I haven't seen any 488's priced in the mid to high 100s like 458's. Perhaps you could point us to them? Also, I guess cars like a 993 TTS and F40 are not as valuable as a 458 for the reasons you give.

 

haha. It is not a speed issue? I recall you talking about performance in your posts. Either way, I am attempting to show you what your comments sound like.

For example, here are some direct quotes from you:

"Most dont care whether a car is turbo charged or not. You are speaking for "most" people which is absurd. "

Its okay I get it. You love the Pista. That's great. Check this post out, here is some data: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/458-vs-488-resale-parity.591702/

Also, nice try but you can't compare an F40 to a 458/Pista. Two completely different playing fields.

 

Performance is defined by more than straight-line speed. There are other characteristics that make a car better performing. The Speciale is a beautiful car and I would like one but its not a Pista. Keep us all informed when your Speciale reaches the value of comparable Pista.

I am not in love with any car, just calling it like it is but some like yourself have a hard time accepting it. Its OK but there is too much bias and emotion from your posts.

Once again, point me to any ad's showing the prices of 458 coupes being on par with 488's.

How convenient for you? Some cars qualify and some dont. Good one. Whatever makes you feel better about your car.

 

Bias? Emotion? Really? Go back and read your posts...

I just sent you an FChat thread with ads, all you had to do was click, scroll, and read...but just in case you can't:

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LOL's. There is zero chance that 458 italia is going to sell for that price.

I sold my 2014 458 MSRP $294K in a trade in for $240K 7 months after I bought it back in 2015. (2K miles).

458 owners seem over represented on car forums... I'm the only one left with a 458 speciale (no 458 in my neighborhood) among about 60 exotic cars. Plenty of 488, a few Pista's, 812 superfast, mclarens, etc. In real life people just move on. The 488/Pista owners are just under represented in car forums.

 

That is just a snapshot but Pista will continue to fall....some are already close to MSRP.
Remember the Speciale held over MSRP for over 5 years! Incredible for a mass produced edition.
The SA bubbled up to 2x MSRP - $800k and then fell back to earth to close to $500k.


Sent from my 16M

 

Performance will always be better in a newer car. But at the expense of any visceral input.
The old argument of analogue vs performance. Some would rather drive a 355 vs Pista. Others want the fastest computer aided 4 wheels made.
Pick your poison.


Sent from my 16M

 

+1
No wrong answer.

 

Right, and to each their own. I also have a GT3 manual which is a ton of fun.

 

Lot more to it than 0 to 60. You've been around a while, you know better. Also the performance gap is much bigger. Look at track times, and 1/4 mile. 0 to 60 is more about traction.

 

Different times my friend, that's more of a representation on the market. Look how far down your 16m has come and that is truly a special car and very limited.

 

One should not discount two facts though:
- the Speciale was originally priced very reasonably (about 16% more than the Italia)
- it ended production just in a pricing bubble (2015) for all supercars
These certainly helped the Speciale to hold value (until now, when it begins to be impacted like other cars by the bleak environment).
On the other hand, the Pista was "aggressively" priced from the start (about 40% (!) more than the 488 GTB)... with no on-going bubble to sustain that level.
Actually the Speciale has been supported by both a favourable environment and a shy Ferrari pricing policy, while the Pista is facing exactly the opposite.
So my take is that the Speciale prices will continue to drop, it has benefited from circumstances but that does not make it a magical investment; and the Pista prices will drop faster just because they started at a higher level (in Europe I bet the few real sales are already below MSRP, and it will be confirmed when sales resume after the almost universal lockdown).
Personnally I still value the Pista more than the Speciale, and while it depreciates at a higher speed (which is normal, being the most recent and expensive car) I think it will still retain a higher price than the Speciale on the medium / long term (very long term could be different, specially if it eventually appears that the Pista production numbers far exceeded the Speciale ones).

 

My opinion is the Speciale will depreciate from here onward or alternatively may not. The Pista may do likewise or maybe not. Any predictions on the trend on the stock market will be welcome.