488 Pistas selling for less than MSRP...

In fairness, didn’t he buy a McLaren and a R8 at some point...? I seem to recall he owned those cars in the distant past. I think during that time, he was still able discern a difference driving characteristics, when exterior still mattered, and when cars still excited him.

 

I can't be bothered to read just a wall of text and click 100 links in it. Can't believe you bother to search for all these random posts you take issue with LOL

The exotic market got hit massively in the recession and everyone here knows it. Residual values took a big dive and everyone knows it. No one is talking about what happened to some limited and rare 20 year old F40. Your graph is dumb and worthless for what was obviously the discussion of modern exotics and near-term values. A graph like that tells you nothing about any car in particularly and is proven wrong for one car already which begs the question of why the hell anyone would want a weighted "market cap" graph for classic Ferraris. Last time I checked, you can't buy a weighted index of Ferraris when you go to the dealer...

"Can you imagine if I took your advice and exited the market in the 2007-2008 time frame?"

Was that my advice? Did I tell people to sell before it crashes or did I suggest wait to buy? Can you maybe link to that point in particular rather than a bunch of your obsession-links?

 

Don't say that out loud, you'll be ridiculed for it.

 

Noone is a sex therapist who is still a virgin.

 

On the front end for sure, but definitely not the back end.

 

Oh do share! Is there a video link we can watch?

 

Second half of that sentence describes pretty much all Millenials...

 

You guys are too much LOL

So back to the topic. Pistas at MSRP... Some guy just posted a nice red and black spec Pista straight from the factory with delivery miles for MSRP. Is there anything else to say about the topic? You could probably buy it for under MSRP and it's literally as new of a car as you could get.

 

Yeh - maybe you should make an offer on that one red one with the mismatched stripe and blue seats and ditch the skateboard.

 

Cooler skateboards right around the corner, especially in this economic climate

 

Maybe, but how are you so sure? Have you made an offer?

 

Beautiful white Pista for sale in classifieds... asking MSRP.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/2020-pista-bianco-italia-extra-campiona-pearl-white-nero.620541/#post-147174344

I have no doubt some Pistas will change hands for 50-100k below MSRP this year.

 

I'm just assuming someone wanting to sell a $500K car without even driving it would accept some arbitrary amount greater than $0 under MSRP to move it in this climate. I don't know if it's $1K or $10K or $50K, but it doesn't take long for the opportunity cost of that money to be more than the discount.

For all I know he's trying to sell his car before actually paying for it, avoiding the sales tax. I mean, it's got delivery miles and all the pictures are at the dealer. He might be losing $30K in sales tax alone unless he traded $500K worth of other cars for it...

 

Thank you for being able to understand what I wanted to ask and apologies to everyone for not being able to express myself clearly... thanks


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It will help it run better- these cars and engines are designed to be driven! Note- that is different from abused. As long as you are operating within expected tolerances and exercise some mechanical sympathy you will be fine. Actually, using the auto mode all the time is probably not very good for the car because I find the shift points are designed for fuel economy and smooth cruising. Thus the engine never really gets to revving. I put nearly 20,000 on my 599 back in the day, and many of those were at the track where I really drove it. My mechanic always said my 599 was the best running he ever saw. If you are a world class athlete whats better for you, sitting on the couch or getting out and running? Same thing here. Use it or lose it my friends!

 

Good luck

 

What was that- 6 years ago? And then wouldn’t it make sense to limit the expertise to those two cars and for all other vehicles, by all means participate in the discussion but not from a point of knowledge or expertise- just as a participant.

 

Oh, nothing wrong with auto-mode, my friend. I apologize in advance to the community for my lack of restraint with @noone1. It comes from literally years of head-scratching.

Auto mode. The context was a member said auto mode is not the optimal way to experience the full paddle setup. @noone1, of course, disagreed, not because of his own experiences, but what many of us have learned is to 'disagree' as the motive in of itself.

Therein lies the root of my consternation. That said, it makes the forums fun for me, so in many ways, I'm grateful for @noone1

 

So true! I mean there are literally folks that say I'm going to wait it out when you peruse the 8-year-old "bubble thread"

That's almost a decade of would of, could of, should of...

 

every person on this board who has more than 1,000 posts shld be banned unless they can prove they own at least one f car. can be anything, 50k mile 355, etc...

 

Not sure they need to be banned but how about if you dont own a Ferrari, have never owned a Ferrari, and you never plan to own a Ferrari, that you restrict yourself from commenting on the ownership and driving experience of a Ferrari? Dont pretend to be an expert on things you know nothing about. Not too difficult of a concept you would think.

 

ur right - banned is prob aggressive. they shld be limited to 5 posts a week, that way they wld be forced to think about what they post.

 

This is not a rampant problem on FChat I don’t think. It’s a few individuals pretending to be experts when their expertise comes from conveying the experiences of others- whether it be you tube, magazines or something else. At some point you would think they would just be embarrassed to post anything after being so wrong so many times. But I guess that’s where the word troll comes from.

 

Fantastic post as always, Jerry!

Couldn’t agree more and I give you two personal examples:

Being european, my daily driver is a BMW F11 turbo diesel. I typically drive 100 km per day, 95% or better of those are highway kms. I do the same every day for years, so although I don’t own a radar detector (illegal here and if discovered, the police are entitled to aprehend your car on the spot), I know where they usually are, so I floor it most of the time. I also follow BMW’s owners’ manual to the letter and preventive servicing is my middle name.

The result? Car runs smoothly and strong. Last time I pulled in at the official dealer, they said they’d never seen a cleaner DPF or intake on any F11 regardless of mileage.

My 458:

I knew the previous owner. He tracked the car on occasion and preventive maintenance was his middle name too. Bought it 4 years ago, drive it hard and I hand over the car to the official dealer at all the appropriate intervals. Cut no corners: whatever the car needs, the car gets. Even before it needs it. Better to exaggerate than cutting corners.

The result: car runs flawlessly and last time I pulled in for its mandatory yearly inspection (the equivalent to our MOT), the car delivered 575 horsepower on the test bench. It actually gained horsepower over time, although very marginally, instead of following the natural rule of losing power over time.

Long story short: if you service it right and respect operating temperatures, you can and should drive it like you stole it. It sure is A LOT better than city traffic or driving it slowly.

Jerry’s analogy of the athlete versus couch potato is perfect.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Thanks much appreciated


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