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Question on Front Turn Indicators

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  1. TurtleFarmer

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    My '79 308 GTS came without front turn indicators installed. However, there was also a cardboard box of parts that included some very raggedy front indicator housings and equally raggedy "JB-welded" lenses.

    So I got me a pair of new turn indicators. On delivery, I discovered that in order to get the new indicator housings to fit in the existing front bumper, they have to be modified (two locations, described in detail below). Looking at the "original" turn indicator housings from my parts box, the same modification had been done on them.

    What is going on? Is it the wrong front bumper? Are there different turn indicator housings?

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    Here's the opening in the bumper for the indicator housings. Note that there is no "notch" on the upper part of the opening (like there is on the bottom) and the retention slot on the side is relatively shallow
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    Here is the new turn indicator. The retention feature on the side is too long and the notch alignment feature is on both the top and bottom of the housing.
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    And for reference, here's the "original" turn indicator housing. You'll note that it's been modified to "fix" all those fitment issues. Also note, this is a relatively old turn indicator housing. It may not be original to the car (as there's no way the factory was grinding off features), but it's definitely been installed in the car for a reasonably long time (I'd guess it's at least 30 years old based on both the type/condition of the PVC jacketing on the wiring as well as the oxidation level on the ground strap & retaining bolt).
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  2. lm2504me

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    Provide photo of entire front bumper to see what you have, including grille.
     
  3. TurtleFarmer

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    Ok I just did this not too long ago. If the parts circled “shallow retention slot” are not deep enough, you can do two things. 1st, You can make the the retention slot deeper by cutting it deeper or 2nd, you can make the part circled “Too long” shorter. The notch or extra tab on the top and bottom of the housing must be trim or cut off Obviously that signal light assembly is not the original one for the 308.
     
  5. BrockBenson

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    I think the question was more around why than how. I would guess without investigating deeper, that either the indicators or the bumper or both are reproductions. As you suggested, I doubt Ferrari would be that rough with their manufacturing! Poor quality control in reproduction parts has been an issue in classic car restoration world for the 30 years I've been doing it! That's why I always try to repair, recondition or rejuvenate the oem part in the first instance.
     
  6. TurtleFarmer

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    Yeah, thanks for understanding my actual question @BrockBenson (why, not how).

    The indicators are definitely reproductions. I got mine from FerrParts, but they look identical to the replacement parts sold by Ricambi, AWItalian and the various reputable dealers on EBay. They are produced in Italy by Carello (an old lighting and lens mfg--no idea if they were the original supplier, but it would make sense). I was trying to understand if a) all new reproductions simply need to be modified for the 308's, b) I received/purchased the wrong reproduction part or c) the bumper ain't correct. I would assume for anyone who's had to replace turn indicator housings, this would be an already known answer.

    As a point of interest, those "original" housings (or, at least the ones that were in the parts box and look to be ~30 years old) are also produced by Carello--and as mentioned before, had also undergone the same modification that I'll need to do to these new ones in order to make them fit.

    My suspicion is that the housing itself is made to be "reversible"--can be put on either side. The only thing that changes is the lens cover itself (left vs right). A small piece of stamped metal also has to switch position. From a mfg perspective, this would make sense--keeps part count low. That would explain the "notch" being on both sides--depending on which side it's installed, the top "notch" needs to be ground off. On the retention feature, my guess is this part fits on a number of 70's & 80's generation Italian makes/models and some of them require a longer feature. Again, makes it simpler to mfg a single part that has to be modified slightly depending on the vehicle.

    But again, I was hoping to get some clarity from those that know :)
     
  7. miketuason

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    The Lamborghini Jalpa, Countach, and other model uses the same turn signal lens, so the housing might be similar but they will have their differences like the one you have that has the notches, it is similar but not exact. I believe you have an aftermarket bumper but not 100% sure. How heavy is the bumper? If it’s like 40lbs, it’s original.
     
  8. Brian Harper

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    That's a reasonable assumption most of the time, but Ferrari certainly did repurpose parts from other cars or use off-the-shelf parts that needed modification to work. The BMW power window switch, for instance, has a bit cut off to fit in the 308 arm rest. Certainly the exception rather than the rule, but with such low numbers sometimes it was apparently cheaper to just grind stuff off.
     
  9. timr

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    I can’t say for sure but I suspect the bumper may not be OEM. The shape of the center portion does not have the right angles as it recesses towards the car. This is based on my US ‘77. I can send a photo later with that area noted if you would like. However, that may only answer half your question!


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