458 How Many Miles is Too Much?

Permanent Ban ? I believe its too harsh. Cant recall the number of times when its been asked where is Noone 1 ?

 

Yeah I know this is the funny thing. They all want to see the tail end of him but the reality is they can't live without him even though some like to pretend they can.

I would agree Noone deserves a good roasting from time to time because some of the stuff is so ridiculous. But knowing the entertainment he provides IMHO it is counterproductive to go killing him off completely.

 

where are the posts asking for him? i have never seen any.

 

I will agree that it might not be time for a permanent ban just yet. But I definitely also think it needs to be more than a few days. Like Paul said, he's an annoyance, but not in direct violation with the rules. He should be treated accordingly, which means a ban+warning and a second chance. Usually first time permanent bans are reserved for spammers, scammers, provocateurs and previously banned members with new profiles, and while I don't need him back to be entertained, I don't think it is right with a one-strike permanent ban without a warning. Too much dictatorship and lynch mob in that for my liking.
I do think it should be a severe ban though. A month or two. He has been here for a long time, and for a long time he is well aware that he has been deliberately stirring the pot and aggravating members. I don't mind a debate, I don't mind banter, I'm also very interested in how people with no exotic car experience view things. There's just a limit as to how odd and irresponsible things should get.
A month or two as he has been given a lot of leeway until now, and if he continues to deliberately bother and upset members, he's out for good.


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In my opinion, that guy is worthless, and a waist of time... good banned!

 

My daily life certainly does not hinge upon whether a member is on this site, or not.
However, one must consider the totality of a person’s reason for being here and contributions to the community.
This is a Ferrari-enthusiasts chat forum. That doesn’t mean you have to own a Ferrari, but it is generally accepted by that same self-governing community that a member is at a minimum a Ferrari “enthusiast” at least much of the time. For instance one can be a Ferrari enthusiast and have serious disdain for the current direction of the company, or dislike of certain models, or dislike their current racing decisions, etc. But that member at heart is still an enthusiast and discusses all of these issues in balance with other like-minded members from around the world.
With that type of character the ebb and flow of conversation is productive, may be eye-opening, and certainly can be educational and entertaining.
When a member has no Ferrari, appears to not like Ferrari’s or Ferrari owner’s reasoning, in fact doesn’t even own a car, an intelligent member of this community will naturally ask, “Why is this person on this site then?”
When that same member continually gets into fights with dozens of other enthusiasts, constantly tries to demean other enthusiasts opinions and reasoning then the “reason” for that person being on this site becomes more clear, especially when a pattern emerges over a long period of time.
IMO that is the very definition of a troll, baiting others into contentious battles. Now, some trolls are brutish in their methods and arguments and don’t last long, others are more adept and flirting with the “line” so as not to blatantly cross it...but still a troll nonetheless.
The mods can certainly make their own decisions in the best interest of this community; however, the enthusiast community certainly will not suffer with fewer non-enthusiasts picking fights with enthusiasts.
As some have said here, “Just place him on ignore.” That is fine unless many people across many threads are continually fighting back and forth with this now invisible poster, the threads still deteriorate into childish bickering with no real positive content.
Now if everyone placed him on ignore he would just go away, likely a good thing, right? But, I think that is the intent of a ban is it not?

 

100%
noone1: "If you just want an exotic and you're not set on a specific one, why on Earth would you recommend a F430 in 2020"

jag-oo-r: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/just-purchased-my-first-ferrari-wow.621060/#post-147188176

that's the difference between a guy who has no intention of buying a ferrari and an enthusiast. what else do we need to discuss? someone show me one post where the guy gives sound guidance and advice based on experience. just one.

 

Noone should NOT have been banned. If the criteria was to only opine on things one owned or had direct experience with, then there would be a whole lot of people banned who don't add much value other then to annoy others with simpleton comments... fwiw; noone did own a 12c and r8.

There are many, many people who make uninformed comments on car forums.

The last guy people ran off the forums was dansang (can't remember his exact I.D.) and he was real. He may have exaggerated a little bit but he was very real.

 

I tend to agree with this assessment. On one hand, it might seem unduly harsh for a permanent ban, but I can certainly understand whose who are lobbying for that. I think my problem with Noone is that his approach stands in stark contrast to most on the board. He does not seem interested in providing true value to the other board members. For my part, I work to provide value, and I work avoid disruption. I’m measured in my car related comments. I know my lane, as it were. His approach seems the opposite. I find the whole matter rather peculiar. No cars, doesn’t like cars, doesn’t intend to add any cars (except the Aston that might not ever be produced), likes driving in automatic mode, doesn’t think the exterior color makes any difference when you are behind the wheel, etc. Combine all that with super high post count and an eagerness to match wits with bona fide car experts, and the Fchat user experience is somewhat compromised for everyone.

 

yes someone who is in favor of him please explain his post count....im asking for simple things...someone illustrate his agita is "worthwhile"

 

Don't bother. He's obviously too thick to understand where we're coming from. I was willing to give it another go after a timeout, but it is clear that nothing will change. Sometimes when you are put in the corner to think, it's better to keep your yap shut and contemplate why one is in the situation one is in. But bursting back onto the scene and making yet another fuss like this, just shows the enormity of the lack of self-insight and self-control.

Mike, Noone1 or what ever you call yourself, here's a quick reply to your question. I ASKED you about your experiences with some cars, and you dodged around it like a politician caught with his pants down. After that and what else I've read from you, I am of the opinion that you do not know a damn thing about any of the cars you recommend or advise against. This to me is clearly where you need to do one of two things. A: Shut up and observe. You clearly aren't capable of that. Option B: Be ****ing honest and say what you think and where you're coming from. I'm cool with it had you said, "I haven't driven a 458, new R8 or F430, but I think for this reason so-and-so would be worth a look". That's a no B.S answer, and you retain your integrity. Instead you go around these boards posting your opinion as if it was factual knowledge gained either by owning or driving the cars in question. It's no different than in the SF90 thread. We post pics of configurations, debate what the car will possibly be like etc. trying to get excited about it on the road. Some things we debate based on what we know from driving the current models etc. and some things are pure speculation - fine, it's a new model yet to enter production. But where the **** do you get off stepping in from the side with nothing else to contribute with, than to tell us that the car will probably be a dud and a flop compared to this or that? Thanks for pissing on our parade *******. Just looking at your posts, you never have something nice to say, always being negative about what we here on these boards enjoy. Now leave me the **** alone!

 

well said AB


"If you just want an exotic and you're not set on a specific one, why on Earth would you recommend a F430 in 2020"

 

Another thing to keep in mind as well is the F430 can be obtained with a 6 speed.

 

I have enjoyed FChat for years and I have been a Ferrari owner and enthusiasts for even longer. Regarding Noone1: I enjoy a good debate with one or more people who have founded opinions or informed likes and open minds and can learn and agree to disagree and stay friends. I hate arguing and I especially hate it with unfounded opinions or false data and with the intent to disrupt. Sometimes we run across people who simply must disrupt as a means to self worth, it is their nature. He won’t change because he doesn’t want to so he will continue to disrupt. He is not here to learn or gain insight or for Ferrari companionship. He adds no value in my opinion and I think we need to monitor the integrity of our FChat...in my opinion this means enable and value debate and minimize arguing and disruptive behavior...a permanent ban seems inline with this.


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Hmm, interesting. I've only been aware of folks that have fallen on the wrong side of @noone1 posts. Judging by the number of likes in support of this post, it seems like there is a cohort firmly in @noone1 corner.

I admit I would never have thought this.

@SVCalifornia, as well as those such as @exoticcardreamer , @MANDALAY that support reinstating @noone1 - I want to ask if you are aware of his full history beyond just this thread?

Here are ten examples for your examination (There are many more btw)

1) Erroneously makes fun of a Fchat member and Vietnam War veteran's war wounds when he needs to sell the car due to his previous injuries of said war.

2) He made fun of a person's Enzo here for absolutely no reason.

3) Curses out young enthusiasts for liking a particular car, right after being banned for another infraction. @WestCoasta, you said yourself in the past we should welcome 'young enthusiasts', yes?

4) Proclaims, if members aggravated by his posts, they should seek therapy.

5) Says he has no sympathy for people that suffer financial misfortune from dying of Covid-19

6) When a person announces to the community the delivery of their car, he feels the proper thing to do is criticize them.

7) When a member proves one of his proclamations wrong, instead of acknowledging his error, he insults the member. (this is common btw)

8) Here he proclaims anybody that owns a Ferrari 360 owns a crap car. @Vette2Modena - You just liked a post defending a guy that says your car is crap.

9) Here he was banned for demeaning another user's country/nationality.

10) Finally warned him multiple times that his boorish behavior is not sustainable and will eventually resort in a ban.

@Ianjoub, I am unsure of your position, should we tolerate full-time trolls here? I think many confuse those that troll a progenitor, with said target.

In good faith, is this someone you all think should be reinstated?

I will take all responses seriously and may restore him (sorry @ttforcefed)

 

Np. I have plenty of other things to occupy my time with.


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Strangely enough, I've seen in my life (especially in my youth) two types of people:

1) Folks that defend people that battle bullies
2) Folks that seem to always defend the bullies themselves

I always wondered about cohort #2.....

 

Dansage was 90 percent full of crap. If you want to defend him and noone1 u shld be banned also.

 

Dansage was all bad. No good whatsoever.

 

Especially if you knew how he treated people locally like i do

 

To be clear, I absolutely do not think you need to be owner to make a contribution to this board, or any other automotive board. I would never suggest that people need to be qualified or ranked based on their ownership history. I am more about how the person comports themselves. Do they add value? Do they cause trouble? Do the misrepresent themselves? Do they craft their posts with knowledge and humility? Ownership without adequate self-awareness is meaningless.

 

I also find it funny how the defenders here cant come up with a cple examples of where noone1s pontifications were sound and based on substance with value-add.


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Then we are all subconsciously on a high horse because we simply used him for an entertaining source, as I was sarcastically suggesting before in another thread. Let him go.

For those who says this is what the ignore button is for, actually this won't work with noone1, because there are others who are bored to engage him and there are those who don't know to defend him, then the thread of discussing cars became a source of repetitive annoyance void of potential informative discussion.

How can this board named Ferrari chat have someone who blatantly hates Ferrari and attacked Ferrari owners all the time be continued to exist?

I rather to read threads of how good of 720s is vs Pista and see people got really needlessly emotionally about it than people responding to noone1. Literally he just made a senseless joke on a firesale of a veteran who suffered recurrance of cancer from agent orange. I called him out, and his joke was then removed by mods.

This is not uninformed opinion on cars he does not own. Noone1 is a troll that makes the thread unreadable and degraded.

 

Exaggerated a little bit?


Ironically @exoticcardreamer it was @noone1 that outed out @Dansage's BS.

 

He actually did receive numerous times. The last time I knew of was when he made the jokes on the firesale of the veteran that I mentioned above. He was literally told to stop or a permanent ban.

How could he not have received any warning in the last 4500 posts?