458 How Many Miles is Too Much?

Paul,

I think this addressed to me so I think you’ve mistaken my position and I’m sorry if I’ve been unclear.

I agree with Shadowfax in his description that others ganged up on noone to eject him. He evidently didn’t violate a rule but he caused discomfort. I saw he withdrew his objection to the ban because he felt he was too disruptive. Fine.

I don’t defend Noone because of what he says. Far from it. Nor am I saying he **should** return. But I disagree that letting folks gang up to eject someone just because they don’t like what he says is acceptable. If the litany of wrongs constituted a clear violation then by all means give him the due process and then toss him. Make it definitive and not subject to gang action. If he appeals to your boss for your action then that is a fine process.

Indeed I think your own engagement with him really kept him more engaged than he otherwise would have been. And far more than I ever would have.

Some folks confuse harmony for agreement but I look at this as we should be civil. Folks can post their views as long as they are relevant and civil. If thinks the world of R8s I don’t care. I filter everyone’s views not just no ones... heh.

This has been a ham fisted approach. But I in no way agree with the lad. And if he can’t abide the rules then he doesn’t deserve a chance. Simple.

So I don’t care if he comes back at all. I’m concerned that some will see the gang up as ok to attack folks they don’t agree with. Some here after already hinted as much.

SV

 

I wasn't referring to you as the boss Paul. I was indeed thinking of Rob One would think a member for four years had heard of Rob.

 

sorry for my misunderstanding! Understood!

Best wishes to you!

 

Can I please say DITTO. You have explained my sentiments 100%

 

lol

 

I simply ignore him.

 

Interesting to see that discussion continues on Noone1.

I was surprised reading ylshih's report that westcoasta and noone are completely unrelated! I really thought they were. So I was wrong there. Fwiw I thought these two were the same person when I wrote my post (#134) - where i'd rationalized his execution as being genuinely warranted. I thought such a vile expletive ridden post directed at Paul more than warranted a permaban, and felt if Noone was involved anywhere in that expletive ridden spray then he most definitely got his just deserves. But knowing now this is NOT the case the game does kinda revert back to where noone met foul play and was off'd more or less for appeasement to those few on the thread. Paul also admits he was enjoying the ride drawing noone back into play as I have also been guilty of doing at times along with many others here who I've seen, who could have quite easily not responded him. So I agree with Coincid it's easy to ignore him.

Furthermore, reading over the thread what really troubles me is how Italiafan more or less pulled Paul's trigger with the ban occuring straight after his post as as being evidence of that. The other interesting and concerning thing is how Italiafan felt so empowered after Noone was off'd he express his interests in furthering his campaign to see certain other members off - members who didn't meet his almighty standard, mentioning 10% should be permabanned! This is very bad talk and i'm really not sure if this should be condoned least of all excused.

I've found Fchat to be an eclectic mix of personalities which at time argue their varying points of view making the discussion interesting and lively at times. I'm just concerned we are not going off onto a slippery slope here removing guys just because they've been annoying or coming out with remarks which they based upon some good reading out of a car almanac.

Again for the record I'm not saying noone1 shouldn't he banned - there has certainly been more than enough solid reasons surface over the past 12 years where he has broken rules which were not duly acted upon.

BUT. Given Italiafans post, and with no new evidence of noone breaking any forum rules during his final involvement on either threads does leaves me with a certain discomfort an awful injustice has been served purely for the purpose of appeasing a select minority who at the time were not even calling for noone to be permabanned anyway. It was only afterward that the Kangaroo court started as a form of justification.

Personally I would have expected Noone to have been dispatched permanently under far more dramatic circumstances which warranted the action taken - and I believe if he had been outed for breaking forum rules his banning would also properly satisfy all those who may have been subjected to his nonsense over the years and, who may have still be harboring certain angst where they felt justice hadn't been served.

Whilst I have certainly been subject to noone1 on numerous occasions - (as noted and linked by Paul - thank you Paul!) - I must concede these are now all well in the past, and I've long moved on from troubling myself over these particular instances, as indeed ridiculous and frustratingly annoying as they were at that time!

I also must note that with Noone trying to create new users, and now making his appeal to Rob Lay, he must clearly feel hard done by or he wouldn't be trying to put his side of the story forward. So he is obviously struggling with his own closure.

Even though I am not a fan of noone1 I must recognise even he still deserves a fair trial regardless of his past sins and will go with whatever decision the heirachy decides.

Quite frankly going by what I've read since Noones ban I'd gladly swap Italiafan for Noone1 as at least he's not looking to knife 10% of the members he doesn't like. I truly believe that kind of attitude truly warrants banning especially as he's put those wishes down in writing, and being a member he would like to see gone I personally don't feel comfortable knowing that he is able to evoke these types of bans so randomly, polluting the minds of mods who are only trying to do their job.

Anyway, where were we? Oh that's right - how many miles are too many? Good question. Please continue on - was just venting.

I would agree with this 100%. This is my concern too (your last paragraph in particular).

 

Culling the bottom 10 percent is smart in all aspects of life. Noone1 is destructive and never additive. Not everyone gets to be apart of a community.

 

But how do you arrive at knowing who is on the top and who is on the bottom? Is is based upon number of cars owned? And who should be judge jury and executioner?

 

That wld def help. Common sense is all that’s needed. Find threads where chaos ensues and locate the common denominator. The guy has been a cancer. Do you have a thread where he was additive and constructive?

 

I have actually called for permaban twice in the last month, so it's not about @italiafan alone. He had received permaban warning last month or so when he senselessly joked on a veteran's firesale.

Trust me, we dont have that many millennials on this board that acted like him. . . I don't worry about the potential slippery slope. The mods are not stupid at all. If anything, they simply are just too tolerant.

 

Look i'm happy to go along with any decision the hierarchy decides and if his ban sticks then so be it. As I've said I haven't been his fan. I'm merely pointing out the weak areas, some which are of grave concern. Maybe the rules need to be re tweaked but under the current rules it doesn't even support a ban least of all a permaban. I think we all need to consider what would happen if the shoe made its way on our foot and an incident of this nature happened to us. You can't have it both ways.

And with Italia fan he's proudly made it known he's "working with the mods" to "fix things".....and wants to cull 10% of the population here bc they don't meet his personal expectations. And knowing he's a guy who probably has half the population here on ignore bc he clearly cant deal with people expressing their views when they don't align with his is a bit of a worry. He's one of three guys here I've come across that are constantly reaching for the doona and they must wear the ears of the mods out in the mod dept.....as in being very high maintenance due to having a very low tolerance of others. I'm not sure if that's a healthy situation tbh. Some guys really need to lighten up and if they can't maybe they should just go themselves.

 

Actually that's not true, we don't need another rule or rule tweak. There's already a rule which covers this:

It's not a rule we invoke very often as rules 1.1 and 1.4 are usually more apparent and immediate, so usually cited first:

However, we do apply it when the circumstances warrant. In general, "trolling" requires we ascribe intent or assess intractability which takes longer and may require review of many posts and even many threads to establish a pattern of behavior. In this case, Paul simply realized noone1 had gotten a pass for too long and reviewed the history which he presented earlier and made a decision.

 

Sounds reasonable. I had my concerns so thanks for clearing it up ylshih.

Ok that puts this one to bed then. Time to go back to the OP.

 

For whatever reason he doesn't really bother me either. I find him more entertaining as his comments are more comical than anything else.

 

Regarding mileage on car, if you plan to drive the heck out of it dont buy a lower mileage higher priced car. Save the $25K to $30K and get one that has documented service and has been well taken care. Do the same for the car and when its time to sell your downside will be minimal vs. buying a lower mileage car and then adding 30K miles. If you dont care about the depreciation then buy the newest, lowest mileage car you can find.

 

So... I’m currently close to going over 70k miles In my 458. This car is reliable as any and quite honestly more reliable the more you drive it. It’s quite sad that Ferraris are stored and not driven. The 458 is an amazing car and suits me just fine as a “daily” (I work from home) was always my dream to own a Ferrari and I wasn’t about to let it sit in my garage. Minimum once a week there’s a spirited drive around the corner. Enjoy these cars and drive them!

That all being said a PPI is a must, maintenance history a must, records of problem areas being fixed etc etc.

I know About people with cars that sit and get driven maybe once a week or a month, they are constantly in and out of the shop with issues!

price point. 100k is unlikely unless it’s a salvage or a challenge or some poor dude that got divorced. 120k is not unreasonable, take your time and find the spec you want with all record in place. You’ll be happy that you did

good luck

-still an amazingly happy Ferrari owner

 

In
Ferrari world seems that passed 30k miles for collector cars it’s too much... so many cars back in the days had rollback to avoid that...
As far as this thread goes it’s kinda annoying to
See how a miles thread goes onto
A rant about users and stuff. Not the place or purpose of this thread imo


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Sad to see west costa. I actually sold him a Kreissieg exhaust for his Testarossa and had helped looking at a few including the one he bought at San Francisco sports car with Brad. Super nice guy and gentleman. Don’t know what happened there [emoji38]


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I personally think he didn't know noone1 history here. If you haven't been around long, a lot of contexts is often lost. That's why I find it imperative to lurk a bit before sticking your neck out so publically for somebody. I sincerely miss noone1, as his post were comically entertaining.

 

Ferrari 458 spider……. Reliable, desirable, exotic,relatively easy to maintain…… And oh yeah, it’s a Ferrari!!!
Just saying.
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