Just to be clear: RP showed their plans to the FIA who approved them before the season started. The problem RP has now with Renault's protest is that different people will now take a look at what is contested (mostly the brake drum design). It'd be a real shame if the FIA reps now revoke the decisions their coworkers made earlier. But it could happen. Also to be clear: This is about the brakes and nothing else. The whole idea of "copying a car" is not what is being discussed/challenged here.
Sauber once got the entire back half of a Ferrari for their car. Back when Ferrari was actually fast. Those who sit in the glass house...
And yet I find that little gem showing that Ferrari itself wouldn't be adverse to copying Mercedes: "Ferrari builds completely new 2020 car and targets Spanish GP' It could just be that Ferrari suddenly comes up with a completely different car during 2020. If we are to believe Formula Uno Analisi Tecnica, the Italian race team is currently busy developing a completely new car. The second version of the SF1000 should make its appearance during the Spanish Grand Prix at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, according to the expectations of the Italian medium. It is said that the front of the Ferrari will be completely replaced and the concept used by Mercedes this year will be adopted. Furthermore they don't want to chase the Racing Points by copying the entire Mercedes car. Rumour has it that the Maranello based race team will continue to develop its own parts." I hope you enjoy the irony ...
Again Mercedes spec series. Just let them build all the cars. No other organization or team is close....................
And proceeded to go backwards on the grid, year by year. The things stopping others from making forward progress is lower $$$ and testing--yet Ferrari voted for both of these. Self inflicted wounds.....
Ferrari HAS to do SOMETHING. Ferrari is not spending as much as it is to run "best of the non-points finishers"! But look at the special technology Merc figured out how to do:: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tuesday-why-das-is-only-the-second-most-impressive-innovation-on-the.2EfeudguxvleJcSV7GJ2TZ.html The lower rear wishbone is enhancing airflow to the diffuser! while having a profile that does not ex-situ direct air flow!
Hahaha, are you a lawyer or a politician? Lawrence Strullovitch used his money to buy the 2019 Mercedes drawings, simple as that. In the end of 2021 Mercedes will announce it will leave F1 as a racing team but remaining as engine supplier, Stroll buys it (and sell RP to Mazepin), and in 2022 Hamilton will mentor Stroll to try the championship on 2023.
Not throwing stones just arguing using logic and personal experience. I don’t remember details of the Sauber but probably Ferrari supplied engine, gearbox and suspension which is very common and being done still and within the rules now as they are written. Back then, pretty sure if it contravened the rules something would have been done about it, especially since some would have been wringing theirs hands at the thought of catching Ferrari doing something untoward. As I recall, Ligier and Benetton where sharing the basic car concept at one point but were different enough (including engine) that no rules prevented them doing it. A bit like what RBR and TR were doing for years. Everyone arguing in favor of RP is missing the point it seems and just to be clear, if RP copied the Merc with pictures and built a pink version using approved listed parts there is nothing wrong with that. What Renault is arguing, and I understand (because we use the same design tools and work to rigorous performance requirements), is that the kind of elements they “copied” are impossible to glean details from by just looking at pictures. Stuff like aero profiles (wings, floors, brake duct inner flow paths, etc.) cannot just be defined from pictures and made to work without a more detailed definition and especially after a radical change in car concept after many years of their own design - unlike Mercedes who’ve evolved and matured their design for years. A team can try to copy the overall concept of the Merc and even use their PU and gearbox but to copy the details of the aero from pictures and get it to work in a few months has raised eyebrows and, for Renault (they know what it takes to build a race car, I think), doesn’t pass the smell test. Renault think they received some level of IP and that’s what is against the rules.
Just to be clear, Tombazis said they just accepted that RP used pictures but did not inspect any parts. Renault is using the brake duct as a sample case also because if found to be like Merc’s duct from last year (still Merc IP) for now a “listed” part this can be shown to be illegal.
Rear wishbones have been designed around and to help the diffuser since Rory Byrne raised the lower wishbone above the diffuser on the Benetton of the mid-80s. Also, every single team - except RP - and Merc this year for the first time, is using the basic barge board/side pod design pioneered by Ferrari 3 years ago, so obviously all teams will copy a good design. They just don’t copy the whole car with data from Ferrari.
Right. Buying engine + gearbox + gearbox casing is actually very legal. Copying an entire car, is not.
I believe this has always been their plan ...... buy the sport, **** everyone over, make it look like they're the greatest by hobbling the opposition and then bail out saying "there is nothing to prove" and then use that swill for the marketing crowd for the next 50 years when they wash, rinse, spin and repeat the process again on the next unsuspecting idiots .... great marketing strategy but not a sporting ideology
They got a new 3D printer and wanted to try it out Luckily they used Photoshop to change the colours and names
I can see Rossy Brawns' logic...''you see guys, the car is completely different to last years mercedes...see, that Mercedes, was silver...now this, is pink!''
Both the SEC and the NFA/CFTC will explicitly tell you that even if you clear something with them in advance, they are perfectly within their rights to deem it illegal later. The fact that you cleared it establishes intent to comply and gives you an argument for a reduced penalty if that happens, but that's it.
We have seen the FIA allow use and ban for the next year. RP is now facing a new judgement on something that was cleared. Brawn stating the FIA is in a difficult position is a warning and subtle to me..............
If Lawrence Stroll bought the 2019 Mercedes drawings, the case is closed. Racing Point owns the IP of the design, and it's not shared, so the rules are fully respected.
Where have you been all that time ? The rules don't say you have to design your own car. They say a team must own the IP of the design and not share it with another team. Haas didn't design its car; they bought a Dallara design, and the FIA is satisfied with it.
You can buy an already made car (i.e. Haas and Dallara) but you can´t buy it from another competitor (i.e: Red Bull and Toro Rosso back in the day).
That would need to be explored in detail. I would suggest that if a team stops using last year design, and sells it to another team for the next year, they are not in fact sharing that design. The Dallara-designed car Haas is using isn't "an already made car", but a design commissioned by Haas.
