Do the Kline and Novitec integrate with the mannetino?
After all of my extensive research, as I have said, I am down to Novitec and Kline as well. Different aspects of each that I like. Kline has the X-pipe design, which I know will help lend to the higher pitch I'm looking for. Novitec has the history with the brand, an X -pipe option, and a valved option that I am told is similar to the X-pipe, but of course slightly different in application. Driving around with the valve remote on the stock exhaust, I hardly ever close them, but droning on the freeway is definitely a bit more than is comfortable for any extended period of time. Valved seems to be the best option, though I wish I could have the Novitec X-pipe non-valved design with an added valve.
It looks like if you buy Novitec's "Stage #" software piggy backs, then it manages the flaps, fuel ratio, and throttle mapping via the Manettino. For me, I'm not sure I want their software changing Manettino settings -- without a clear list of what their changing, it's anyone's guess if their touching other systems. It doesn't look like Klein has a ECU tune or piggy back system, just the flap controller.
I would look at it the other way: all of this is interactive, and thus, you'd want them to make appropriate adjustments. Novitec has proven to be quite good with these things over the years. As an aside I drove the Pista a considerable time yesterday and I have to take back what I said about the tone not changing, it does change, its just that its so fast you really don't focus as much on the sound. I think it sounds good as is. But always interested to learn in improvements/ what others are doing.
You start changing software out goes the warrantee. IMO I also would never go 100 cell as you will need the software upgrade.
For what its worth the Pista , SHOULD have had a full Inconel exhaust. SO MUCH energy was put into making it lighter. I dare say it was legislation that held them back lightening the exhaust . But IMO for what the Pista is and the extras that many have added the exhaust change to a Novitec or Klein is a no brainer. Just think of it as another OEM extra A side by side comparison between these two units would be conclusive.
You will throw CELL light. Just to be consistent I would also use the Klein valve control. Just to avoid if there are any issues one company blaming the other.
Maybe I will just do the muffler section... once I can figure out what's going wrong with the valve controller install I have.
I liked the idea of the Tubi controller, but I believe it’s an OBD plug-in? Seems like it messes with the software in some capacity. As far as features, it has the most, and the carbon fiber casing is nice.
U guys are aware that open valves mean less power right? Back pressure and torque is created with flaps closed. I open mine on the FF and u lose significant power Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Agreed, that's why I'm leaning towards Novitec Inconel with flap regulation + exhaust controller (so I can flip back and forth). It also depends on your usage of it. Low end torque would be sacrificed, but on track, it may be less important. The 488 Challenge doesn't have flaps, right?
I wasn't aware Klein has resolved their valve controller. When I last communicated with Felix some while back he said his didn't work on the Pista so I'd be checking with him first on that. At the time I was the guinea pig for Steve at Forza and it wasn't really until he had his system working on my Pista that others were able to follow suit obviously copying Steve's ideas. And I say that because no one else had a proper working controller at that stage. Basically it was Steve Bisel who pioneered the fix for the controller so it would work on Pista without throwing a CEL.
When I questioned the guys down here they said that they were aware of the Forza success but the Klein does work with some wiring. Don't know what that means ?
It needs more than just wiring to work in a Pista. There is more to it such as extra valves, hosing etc. I personally think Kline has the best system for the car even though its also cheaper but the valve controller I would stay with the guy who developed it which is Forza. He spent considerable time and effort with the 30 year master tech here using my car and it wasn't as straight forward as first thought and required a number of amendments which have now all been made. I'm not interested in buying some fancier remote control for the controller itself - I'm more interested in the technology inside the controllers brain, the parts supplied and the effort then went into making it not only work but also fit on the car and, what's in the kit etc. These are the things that really matter. On a 488gtb which is what you have, any brand controller will work but the Pista is a different kettle of fish altogether. But even with a GTB i'd use the Forza as I have personally found it flawless on my GTB. Steve is also the guy who makes it and he is always available direct for any technical difficulties and that is priceless. You need to have service you can count on if and whenever you need it and he's very good.
Correct the 488 race cars do not use valves. I personally do not care about torque value at low rpm...2000 or so....I need power 3500 minimum up to red line...probably more like 4200rpm and up and valves are open anyway. Turbos don’t need back pressure anyway.
Pleasure. Are you looking at putting a valve controller on your gtb? It's definitely worth while. I think you will find that once you have control over the valves you probably won't bother messing with the exhaust further. I'm finding it much the same with Pista now.......changing the exhaust is no longer a matter of urgency. Also by restoring the functionality of the factory valves gives you optimum performance under all situations.
I was googling Klein distributors and found a local distributor. By chance they had a Pista on site which just had the Klein installed. However valves are just pinned. It really sounded great . Like there was the same guttural sound but a high pitch at top revs. So that's why im thinking of doing it. My valves are pinned but ild actually prefer them to be remote controlled. Thinking about things right now. Zagamas is looking for 488 GTB's , they actually have none for sale.
Lucky you to have actually hears one. The Capristo remote works perfectly on the Pista. It’s the same unit as the other 488s. Difference is the magnet had to set the valve the other way or something. Easy fix.
For every day driving not on the track, I like the option to have a little more torque with the valves closed, but sound is typically more important to me at that rpm range.
