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It's getting hard to tell jetliners apart!

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  1. Gatorrari

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    #3 tazandjan, Jul 24, 2020
    Wondered how they always got it wrong. Now I know.
     
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    #10 boxerman, Jul 25, 2020
    Did the the B47 not set the template? Poded engines(unlike the comet) and that great wing sweep.
    But yeah the 707 was the first coimercialy viable jet and set the template.
    How is it that the DC8 devloped around the same time came out so similar.

    Did the A300 not set the next template, going big fanjet twin with two isles. Seems like every plane has followed that plan since.
    737 was clearly ahead of its time, initaly a stepchild but now the volume machine.
     
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    Correct, the B-47 set the nacelle/strut scheme , then the B-52 followed but with a much thinner wing section. The thin wing and strut mounted engines then carried over to the 707. Douglas copied the configuration with the DC-8 that was larger and slower at the time than the 707. It also was less stressed and had a much longer structural service life. More practical landing gear config. also. As far as I'm concerned, all designs that followed were variations of what Boeing initiated, 4 engine or twin, Airbus included.
     
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    #12 boxerman, Jul 25, 2020
    the dc8 was a better plane? But Boeing sold a lot more 707s.

    what happened to Douglass they owned the airliner market in the prop age, built the dc8 and theN Created that stinker the dc10.

    I guess the did the f15 too so not all bad.
     
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    Arguably, the B-47 followed the design concept first proposed by Hugo Junkers a few years earlier. An airplane Junkers was working on was known as the EF 150, and at the stage of this drawing, it used a Ju 388/488 fuselage, with two podded engines, tandem bicycle landing gear and wingtip auxiliary landing gear.
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    The Soviets completed the aircraft with a new nose that did not resemble any of Junkers' wartime bombers. While a dead end in its own right, it probably led to the M-4 "Bison" heavy jet bomber using a similar landing gear concept.
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    It appears that Boeing designers got hold of some of Junkers' documents and used a similar layout for the B-47.
     
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    Boeing got a hold on a lot of German design stuff including, and most important, the swept wing data that was given short notice by everybody else but Boeing. All contestants in the bomber competition that was won by the B-47 had straight wing designs. Admittedly, the Germans were way ahead of everybody in technology. Thank God that the Germans kept tying both their shoes together under the Nazi regime.
     
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    #15 FarmerDave, Aug 14, 2020
    Philosophically, isnt this the natural progression of efficiency-focused design? They're all designed to do the same thing with the same fuel and basically the same tech. Same thing has happened to cars, they all look the same in a lot of ways!
     
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    #16 tazandjan, Aug 14, 2020
    Area ruling would have saved fuel, but taken up passenger space. So they stuck with the tube.
     

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