Alfa and HAAS making Williams look good.

Alfa and HAAS making Williams look good. I have no link on this. It's just my observation. I think Williams is still bottom rung, even with the Mercedes engine. Any real argument for or against my thesis? Bring it on . . .

 

Both "Alfa" and Haas have Ferrari engines and suffer from the same woes as their supplier on the power side.
They also seem to have average chassis and drivers, so what do you expect ?

 

Its that crappy engine that "was cheating" -- whatever that means.

 

It's exactly what I expect. I don't think that has to be explained.

If I were Gene Haas I would seek out Renault or Honda at this point.

 

Right. That engine "deal" that was imposed upon Ferrari at the beginning of the season is the bigger controversy, at least to me, than the Racing Point copying scandal. I find it unacceptable and Binotto has to speak up about it.

The engine freeze rules need to be lifted or Ferrari should race elsewhere. And DO NOT just make it an idle threat!

 

There has been a coordinated attack on Ferrari from RB and Mercedes. And this season is what you get from it and perhaps next season as well.

 

That would be a good solution, but I have no idea if that's possible quickly.

 

The FIA dealing with this "affair" in complete secrecy is the problem.
Both sides (Ferrari and the FIA) must have something to hide, IMO.
Impossible to make comment until it is in the open.

 

If things don't change there should be no "next season" in F1 for Ferrari.

 

Why should they change ?

Instead of making threats, Ferrari should come clean and explain what happened, and why did they bargained some immunity with the FIA.

Ferrari are the victims of they own making, IMO.

 

I don't care. It's an unacceptable situation. If Binotto has to fall on the sword, I say sayonara to him. Things MUST change at Ferrari immediately.

 

Because the engine and transmission are a stressed member, changing engine suppliers mid-season is a new chassis.

And then you run into the 3 engine regulation, so if by now you have 1 race engine and 1 practice engine, you an only use 1 engine from the new supplier and you have to change back to the previous engine for practice, and switch forward for quali and race. This is an impossible choice under the current rules.

 

Next season is what I was suggesting.

 

Look, I know kvetching on a chat board doesn't accomplish much other than vent a bit of frustration. I'm just sick of the situation at Ferrari.

 

Agree; I think Alfa and Hass are suffering from the post cheating hacked Ferrari engine.

 

But because of Covid-19 next years chassis needs to be dimensionally identical with this years chassis.
Since mounting holes of the engine to chassis are (let us say) not-standardized, and since the suspension pick-up points are not-standardized you aren't allowed to.

 

Well, McLaren will be doing it, going from a Renault engine to a Mercedes one in 2021.

 

There are really 2 goals: 1) try to promote close racing between teams, ideally where you don't know who will win each weekend.
2) try to control costs for equitable racing and so you end up with a full grid of competitive cars
NOW...based on that which scenario would you choose?
1) go with normally aspirated or turbo engines and allow development during the season, but either try a cost cap or maybe a technology cap like no pneumatic valves
OR
2) go with a fiendishly complex and expensive hybrid of a combustion engine plus energy recovery/battery/electric motor package so that you make it virtually impossible for any new power plant manufacturer to break into the sport, and then to try to control costs you ban any development work for a year or 2.
Anyone else old enough to remember the days of the "garagistas" who could design and build a car themselves, throw in a Cosworth V8 and be competitive?

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To be fair, Williams has improved. Last season no way they would be able to qualify 12th. Even Latifi got into Q2 once.

 

Which shows that the rules are the problem.

 

You’re absolutely right. If Whatever the behind the scenes deal between Ferrari and the FIA isn’t made public, Ferrari absolutely should be banned next year!