488 Pista vs 360CS and 430 Scuderia

I can see from a pure enjoyment aspect two experiences is better then one.


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currently have a CS in garage... and Scud on its way to be its garage mate! so thats my answer!

 

thats a no brainer 2 for 1

 

hmmm...... two old f cars vs a new one?

answer depends...

If you want a turnkey f car experience..... with warranty.... then get the new car.
The main/upkeep/downtime extra effort involved in having 2 TWO older f car will take some dedication.

it will depend on what kind of f car ownership experience you want....

after being the caretaker of my 01 modena for the past 2 yrs.... I would not want to double that effort/expense on two older f cars.

 

Ive had my CS since 2010. I still love it. It’s not going anywhere. I’ve never driven a Pista. I wish I saw the point in buying a car so outrageously faster than the roads and laws allow.

 

Skip to 520 for just the CS vs Scud vs Speciale vs Pista, but whole conversion is interesting and kind of echos why I won't ever "trade up" from F430 and get a few cars instead to fill different means.

Having driven the Scud on multiple occasions I'm not actually convinced it's double the car a well sorted F430 with ccb is. I think it gets most of its price from rarity and most of the performance gains from having stickier oem tyres. And for nearly the difference in price I was able to get a DBS manual, fills the void of a manual and also GT for trips and taking the gf out. If one car is in the shop I always have another one to use. You could also look at FFs for V12 GT role for near difference in price too

 

It’s more than tires and rarity. I went shopping convinced that a 458 was right for me being the last naturally aspirated Pininfarina screamer V-8 with a 9000 RPM redline (and good tires). And then I drove a few. While it was an incredible performer, there was no drama, and hardly and driver involvement. It was significantly less involving to me than my highly modified Vantage.

Knowing I wanted an NA mid engine Ferrari I went back to the drawing board. I drove a 430 and (to me) it was about as soft and uninvolving as the 458, just slower. Then, thanks to the help of this forum I decided to give the scud a go. Everything is more of an experience. Sound, looks, interior, engine bay, less weight is felt and then there is the brute force of the 8500rpm super fast head snapping clutch. That alone was worth it to me for a special weekend toy experience. The Scud is still a somewhat fast car even by today’s standards that makes the driver involved (read analog).

Is it worth twice the price? When you reach the point when you are near the top of any hobby it always becomes exponentially more expensive to eek out those few extra points/experience. To me it was.

 

loved the cs. regret selling it every day.

 

As a 430 owner the description of it as “soft and uninvolving” even in a relative sense is absurd.

 

I think you will wish you got the Pista after you buy the CS and the Scud. I love them all but Pista is on another level in every way but this is a personal choice.

 

Upkeep on the CS will be considerably more than on the Scud which will be considerably more than the pista. The CS sounds and looks the best in my subjective opinion, the Pista is on a different level in terms of performance. The Scud is a bargain these days. I don’t think there’s a wrong choice here. Just decide what you want.

 

The problem with the F430 is that a lot of them aren't properly looked after. A car that has aged out pirelli's (or bridgestones) that are one or two generations old and hasn't has an alignment in a decade is going to be a poor driving experience. Going with CCB also sharpens suspension vs the more common steels. Lastly the manatinno position has a huge effect on how the car feels. Normal mode is soft and unresponsive. Sport mode sharpens things significantly. Race mode makes the car feel like a go-kart.

I've driven Scud on track on two separate occasions and to me the only noticeable difference is the increased cabin acoustics and harder shifts. 20hp and 200 lbs is not huge, especially if not tracking. I understand the rarity and specialness with having a special series V8, especially if it's a dream car then it doesn't need to be justified at all. But for most, the near double price difference can be used towards some seriously good cars. To me F430 + 599/FF/Cali/V12 Manual Aston is better option then just a single Scud

 

not sure why so many say this about upkeep on CS's (or 360's).. There maintenance is almost exactly the same... less every 3 years having belts done ($2000) so Add'l $700 per year compared to SCUD (430's).. plus on CS's (360's) no E-DIFF to deal with.

Cant imagine for anyone wanting one of these cars that $700 per year is going to sway you one way or the other..

just my $.02

cant really go wrong with whatever you choose!!

 

$700/year - LOL! In a perfect world.

These cars are 15-20 yr old, and dep on the unit purchased.... allot of main has been deferred.....

and even if the main is 'up to date'.... silly things $$ are breaking on these old f cars.

my short list:
blinker relay module
susp module
susp accel sensor
stickies
water pump
clutch block
alarm module
alarm siren 2x
headers (white powder coming from outer sheath)
muffler (white powder coming from outer sheath)
Mass Air Meters
Oil in upper intake (not overfilled.... in my care)
Upper intake gaskets
Fuel Inj
Coils
Sp Plugs
MM's
Ash Tray fell apart
Headliner fell off
Paint correction, and replace 20 yr old PPF
brakes - pads, rotors, ss lines
tires
Drivers window cable mechanism (broke)
Dash vents cracked / warped
Dash bubble
Frunk - leather straps
Wheel recondition
Alignment
Coolant flush
1 major belt svc

I had all of this in my 2 yrs of ownership, and I had a PPI by a reputable svc shop in Dallas.

I'm not crying about it..... it's an old car..... but I would like to hear from the $700/yr owners>>>>> perhaps I'm doing something wrong...... very very wrong

 

this isnt maintenance!

 

Call it what you like.
Just be prepared to add money to an old f car

things break on these old cars

 

Not trying to pick a fight.. But here's the opposite end of your spectrum on my CS

yearly fluids
every 3rd year belts (plugs)
battery every 3-4 years
and i did replace sticky parts
Tires every 5 -6 years

Thats is in 16 years!! and 16K miles

im original owner, not sure if that makes a difference on these cars?? but im guessing it does! Maintenance has never been differed and i use who i feel is the Best INDY in the business Eugenio.

 

I believe there's several members here that own Pistas and have subsequently added a CS and/or Scuderia, so that carries some weight regarding the experience they offer!

 

mark - no fight here! another data point for you all that's all.
perhaps my car is an anomaly...... but I do want to share the 'possible' outcome.


oh wait! orig owner! yes that makes all the difference IMHO.

unfortunatley after these cars change hands a few times, put on a few miles, and age...... the main/repairs pile up..... pot buyers just be aware........

unless you are lucky to convince an orig owner (like Marknkidz) to sell

 

I've driven a Pista. It's fast, but it doesn't feel fast if you know what I mean. Me personally, I like something to feel violent and make my booty hole pucker up. The Pista didn't do that. But, it sure does look nice inside and out!

 

2 cars vs 1, is like being able to have a wife and a mistress and get away with it

 

In your post you started a month ago you asked if it made sense to switch to the Scuderia suspension settings. Reply back you got from one of the members with an F430 was that they switched their car over to scud springs and geo and it completely transformed their 430.

I drove all cars in the race setting and tires were PS4S on the 430. I still maintain that to me the Scud feels, looks, shifts, performs, and sounds completely different than the F430. That said I appreciate the argument of two cars. I very much enjoy my Aston as well.

To say 200 pounds does not matter in a car couldn’t be farther from the truth. Removing weight improves every performance aspect and is more important than just adding power in how a car “feels”. Manufactures go to great lengths here. Porsche charges $18,000 to save just 14 pounds on the GT3RS. My vantage is completely transformed with 225lbs removed.

Everyone uses their car for different reasons. Some just want to be comfortable with the top down and care who sees them. Others want hardcore performance at the expense of comfort and would rather drive when the sun is barely up in the hills on Sunday morning by themself.




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