Renault finally protests Racing Point

It's purely vexatory.

If it would be in a UK civil court, the judge would bring a Contempt of Court against Renault.

 

Both sides have a right to use the system presented to them. Ferrari are part of this now. I do not think they are wrong to seek 'clarity' on the rules etc. Clone Point have a right to appeal and defend. This is political F1. Nothing new.

I think Renault have a point about its system told to be removed after Clone Point protested in Japan. Not at all un-reasonable.

 

Sour looser?? ROFL!

 

I see you point, but when you lodge a complain, you in fact transmit your case to a legal authority, to decide, and you must give it the time to deal with it.
Each case is different, and whoever adjudicates on it may have a different position.
There is no blanket answer to every complain.
What's the point of Renault addressing the FIA, if they don't accept their findings?
As it stands, the FIA cannot solve the problem more than the fine already given.
Renault is seeking to embarrass the FIA more than Racing Point, IMO.

 

Renault would like illegal parts removed as they had to remove theirs. They have stated this. Other teams want clarity. The ruling is inconsistent.

 

No kidding the ruling is inconsistent: The car was legal in March and suddenly illegal now? BS.

 

As far as I know, Renault has to protest each car at each race because if in the end the ruling favours them, Racing Point only would be disqualified from those races that were protested. So there is a technical reason for protesting everything, it´s not just a matter of ****ing Stroll (although that alone would be a very good reason anyway).

 

Dude, you´ve been watching F1 for long enough to know that FIA is constantly changing what is legal and what is not depending on where´s the dough.

Mercedes hasn´t signed on the dot line yet and there are signs of a possible mutiny of the rest, so they´ve realized that they can´t just sweep the Clone Point issue under the rug like I guess they expected to do.

 

They should not sweep it. Its a clone not a created car at all. Im happy the FIA want to prevent exactly this next year. I had much more respect for Force India. An admirable team. Stroll is just a shortcut team now.

 

They have to sweep it under the rug, Mercedes and FIA officials could have colluded with this ****. It seems that the 400.000 € and the 15 points are not enough for Renault and Ferrari, but that´s just a minor issue.

Now they´re talking about some vague rules to prevent it from happening again. But it will happen.

 

Those who sit in the glass house should not throw with stones. That's not just my opinion but also the opinion of German motorsport journalists. Teams like Renault, McLaren and Ferrari have such a long history of cheating that they simply don't deserve to sit on their high horse on the pedastal.

Regarding the cloned cars: If you read the rules, there are certain parts a team must make on their own and others they can buy off the shelf. The amount of parts they have to design themselves is rather limited. So while the RB might be a clone of the Merc 19, about 80% of that is a legal clone. So all those taking the high road about making their own cars, well, you really don't have to according to the rules. You could buy the majority of the parts legally from other teams and manufacturers. The idea of each team creating its own car from scratch is a romantic illusion at best. Get real.

 

Racing Point doesn't seem to have alternative parts to fix.
So if the FIA was to order the brake ducts to be removed, I gather the cars couldn't run.
I guess the FIA had weighted that possibility, and prefers the car to keep racing.

 

"Mum he started it" is not a valid legal argument. And even if it was, Racing Point protested Renault last year, so why Renault shouldn't protest now?

Get real? Come on... Get you facts straight!

Where did you get the fact that 80% per cent of the car can be bought? I suppose that Stroll counted all the individual parts of, for example, the steering wheel, and then accounted the whole chassis as 1 single part, and then said: "oh, yeah, 80% of the parts can be bought". The monocoque and the bodywork (including floor and wings) can´t be bought; the internal packaging, the aero-balance, all the important work can´t be bought. They can only buy some pieces, and they even managed to screw it up illegally buying the brake ducts.

So far, the only experts that have said that a car can be copied from pictures in a few months are Racing Point´s and FIA´s. All the rest I´ve heard of say that it can´t be done or, at best, look skeptic; these includes McLaren´s and William´s, who "misteriously" changed their minds after a few days. I guess Stroll and Co. are not so stupid to leave any loose knots, and I think that, for the good of the sport, in the end it´s better to let it go. But one thing is pretending that nothing happened and another is doing it for free and even applaud them for their "clever approach". I suppose that Stroll and Mercedes know that now they owe a favour, and sooner or later they´ll have to pay, that´s the way things always have happened in F1.

 

Maybe you should read more F1 related magazines?

As I said, it's irrelevant what I think, it's more important what the expert journos have to say about it. The list of stuff you must build yourself is rather small. Most parts you can buy.

 

And did you read the part that says that you can't buy them from other competitor?

It's not the same buying from Dallara than from Mercedes.

 

The entire episode of the clone is intriguing. Testing saw most all teams look at the new Clone and immediately recognize it as Mercedes. Duck - walk and talk no? lol

 

Now Colin Kolles doing his dirty washing in public to settle an earlier dispute with Toto Wolff.
The Racing Point saga continues...

 

So happy F1 is back lol

 

Looks like Formula one is so complex nowadays that the FIA couldn't check everything because of it's lack of human ressources or compétences.

 

I wonder what Ferrari's position would be if Racing Points was DQ from the first several races ONLY if Ferrari engine of 2019 was made public ?

 

What if FIA called ALL teams to remove ALL brake ducts ?!?!

 

Pretty obvious that the FIA has nothing on Ferrari or they would have made it public like they did with their ruling on tRP’s ducts.

If the FIA improperly received information that they used to try to understand how Ferrari operates their engine—because despite multiple additional instrumentation added, they couldn’t determine any illegality—and Ferrari threatened to sue for illegally obtaining proprietary IP, that’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish.

As far as FIA can determine, all teams’ engines are being operated to the regulations or the latter would have been reprimanded. Instead, the FIA can only make new tech directives—like the upcoming one that everyone assumes is aimed at Mercedes—to try to control playing around the boundaries of the rules.

 

Reduced speeds and closer racing due to excessive heat in brake system. Now that would lead to brake and tire 'management' lol

 

You can’t compare Ferrari’s influence on the FIA in comparison to RP. Ferrari is obviously down on power this year because of the FIA not allowing the engine advances in question. Ferrari just had the power to keep the improper engine advantage confidential and retain its points. If disqualification and all points were removed last year they could of threatened leaving F1 and the FIA would have avoided that situation by making Ferrari change the engine, but spare Ferrari the negative publicity and the points. Ferrari has been in F1 from the beginning and deserves some recognition for its loyalty.

Racing Point doesn’t have this influence and is being made an example of even though the rules were vague. The FIA wants stop the cloning loophole and Racing Point is paying the price, how can you be convicted of copying intellectual property you already owned the previous year. It’s ludicrous and all politics.
Renault and Ferrari should drop their appeal and Racing Point should just accept the FIA decision and move on.