Lewis Hamilton discussion thread

Ah yes, it's completely BS that the only successful black driver in Formula 1 might have faced some sort of racial hurdles when coming up through the ranks.

This is a tad ironic, isn't it, given a huge chunk of Kimi's fandom comes from people enjoying him complaining on the track b/c of the way he comes across, as people find it humorous. Not sure how Kimi's upbringing of not complaining means anything to Lewis'. Multiple people can face hardship in different ways.

Does absolutely nothing to discredit Lewis but point out the difficulty it is for many Formula 1 drivers to make it financially.

Which is it, mate? Lewis came from nothing, but so did many other greats, so he's not special? Or did Lewis have more than many & therefore isn't special?

Seems you're missing the point of Lewis bringing up his rise though, if you're only focused on the "came from nothing" aspect of it.

Or maybe again, as the only successful black driver, he's sharing something as a teaching moment that racial hurdles shouldn't exist & one can still overcome adversity.

You once again, display a huge case of irony however, calling someone else to have an inferiority complex whilst you place your own shortcomings on full display. Despite all of Lewis' success, you are the one who can't get over shortchanging him whenever possible.

 

@LamboLover save all the typing. None of it is ironic. They know exactly what they’re doing and they know why they’re doing it. Its a pointless discussion. People complain that this is a Ferrari forum and not a Merc forum yet here we are again talking about you know who.

 

IIRC Lewis is also the only driver that has a full time nanny.

 

Pedro Alesi's last F1 race was in 2001

 

Sorry...my bad..1995 of course.....hard to keep focus with so much nonsense around...

 

Yes...frequently people do down way too fast... which is super slow on the way up. when we run the "B" configuration with out the up and down on the hill.. you can catch air in the Lo at the top of the hill right at the apex... it will light up all the neurons for sure..... doing the full track in a Shifter ... abusive on your body.. I'm 52 - and I can only do 3-4 laps and only 1 fully on lap in a shifter the G's are too much...

 

I think its hard to rate a living racing driver while he's still actually racing as the greatest... while I rate Hamilton very high.. top 10 for sure, maybe top 5... I don't agree that he's "the Best Ever" .... Fangio, Clark and Stewart, Schumacher, Senna...all vie for the top spot. Hamilton wins - to be sure you have to be good to consistently be at the front... but when you look at the percentage of wins v. races... Fangio and Clark stand way out... perhaps those that are young don't know or care .... ( which I think is sad ) but regardless you have to hand it to Hamilton .... He's there when it counts.

 

It's absolutely pointless to compare drivers from different eras.

I find the notion of GOAT absolutely ridiculous, and people should stop arguing about it: it's so childish.

A driver can only be measured against his peers, against whom he raced under the same conditions.

Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Senna, or Schumacher were probably the best in their times, like Hamilton is now. Period.

 

I agree, when you look at the percentage of wins v. races... Fangio and Clark stand out compared to Schumacher and Hamilton. Still its impossible to pick the best

 

But you said that the ranking is the only reference.
this one goes through the eras.
All this is not very consistent.

 

Just wish he would pay his taxes

 

Alot of F1 drivers "don't pay their taxes."

Currently, F1 drivers live in tax haven countries.

 

As he wraps himself in the Union Jack.

 

On that, I disagree...anyone sane earning that amount of money would do their best to pay as little tax as possible. He doesn't live in the UK so why should he give his money away only to have politicians piss it away against the wall...

However...when he said he pays taxes in 20 different countries because he races in 20 different countries, an absolutely laughable suggestion, as an excuse why he doesn't pay tax in UK, just proves he's an idiot when speaking. The most tax he pays in those 20 different countries is VAT on goods he's purchased.

 

A link to his whole explanation if you will, somebody, please. I haven't heard or seen this and would like to see it to interpret the context myself.
Also, I'm going to look but, where is his citizenship nowadays? I'm presuming Monaco, like many but one never knows......

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8a3ebde2-c64b-11e7-b30e-a7c1c7c13aab
If he really pays tax in all those countries then he needs a different accountant as he'll be a moron of the highest degree. I do agree with the article where it says about the knighthood, you should be a british tax payer to have that.

Personally I'd much rather live in Monaco rather than pay ridiculous amount of money in tax and have a knighthood.

He's still Monaco resident but never spend even close to the minimum time there. All other F1 drivers struggle to make the minimum days due to the sheer amount of traveling they do, but tend to spend most actual time away from the track in Monaco. Lewis has always taken the piss.

 

Thanks for the link but I ain't signin' up for nuttin'.....'don't need any more incoming crapola than i already git.

Anywho.....if he literally said "I'm not paying taxes in the UK because I pay everywhere I travel.", of course, I'd agree with you 100%.

However, if he simply added that, such as: "I pay as little tax as I can in xxxx and besides, I pay taxes everywhere I go.", I don't agree.

I pay as little income tax as I can to Uncle Sam, property taxes, and sales taxes at home. I also pay into other countries, states and cities coiffures as I travel (sales tax or whatever whilst there) and will say the same: "I pay as little tax (where I reside) as I can and also pay taxes wherever I go". I don't mean that as an excuse for paying as little as I can at home; just that I do. That is not invalid, or idotic....'just a fact.

I don't have/feel a need for "a different accountant as he'll be a moron of the highest degree" as I travel and surely don't think of myself as a moron in the least.

Many unintentionally/intentionally mistake (hmm...?) others' meaning of statements; by error or some sort of resentment.
That's why I'd like to see the entire statement. And, in answer to what?

 

Prost compliments LH - https://www.planetf1.com/news/alain-prost-on-lewis-hamilton-achievements/

 

'What people don’t realise is that I pay tax here, but I don’t earn all my money here,' he told the Sunday Times Style magazine.

'I race in 19 different countries, so I earn my money in 20 different places and I pay tax in several different places, and I pay a lot here as well.

'I am contributing to the country and, not only that, I help keep a team of more than 1,000 people employed. I am part of a much bigger picture.'

That's what he said. i.e. a whole lot of ******** to try and weasel himself out of a simple question. He can never, ever say anything straight up. Always trying to please anyone and everyone. Anyone with half a brain can see straight through what he says is ********. He doesn't pay taxes in 20 different places, aside from VAT on meals. That tiny amount of money doesn't count as ''paying tax'', if that was true I can claim the same utter ********. Lets get real here and everyone knows exactly what you mean with paying tax...not VAT!

Lewis doesn't pay income tax in the UK, of course he shouldn't because he doesn't live there. So he should stop making an excuse and saying that he either does or that he pays in 20 other countries. It's *********. Why can't he say he lives in Monaco for tax and privacy? I know I would. In Monaco he can do as he likes without any harassment, no fans, ultra safe, no paparazzi....and on top of that no tax! In UK it's the complete opposite and an enormous tax bill at the end of it...why would he live there?

But no...Lewis the people pleaser has to make up a fake story that he pays tax everywhere. Lol.

 

I don't even see the question....what started his statement? The way it starts here, it seems like he said more before the "What people don't....." 'Seems like there's got to be more than those three lines.....four sentences. Somebody interviewing him or what? I assume someone was questioning him about something. Did I miss more info on this in earlier posts on this thread?

Somehow it feels like somebody chose what they wanted to quote and left a bunch out.
I can't imagine why.....nobody would do something like that to get their agenda across, right???
'Same kinda thing he's being accused of?

There's isn't enough there for me to determine context so I haven't a clue. Besides, I don't really care, or have time enough.....'got enough of my own situations to concern myself with, let alone his..... So, floop all.....

 

I don't see how what Lewis is saying about paying taxes everywhere is immediately BS? In the states, all sports athletes have to file taxes in every state they play, I believe called the Jock Tax.

Doesn't sound out of the realm of possibility that international athletes would be any different having to file taxes on money earned from other countries.

 

The talk about tax stinginess is pointless, almost all drivers do it and all of them have an excuse: I stay most of the year travelling, I earn my money outside of the country, blah, blah, blah: you´re a greedy mother****er who wants to be richer, OK, we get it.

Right now I can only think about two or three F1 drivers or ex-drivers who don´t live at a tax haven: Jarno Trulli, Carlos Sainz and Lando Norris. I remember Trulli despite he´s been out for more than 10 years because it´s really unusual that a F1 driver pays his taxes at his home country. There are more, sure, but I bet that not a lot more.

The ethical implications belong to the PR section.

 

Good words from Prost, giving much deserved credit.

 

If the tax system was fairer, far less people would avoid paying taxes.
I am speaking about Europe, where you are literally crucified by the taxman if you earn more than average.
I would never blame someone who avoid paying taxes, and there are many ways of doing it ... if you are rich enough to afford them.
Hamilton is one of the many drivers who tries to keep his money; good luck to that!
Brits like Jim Clark, or Jackie Stewart did it before him.

 

Bono ?

Kidding