I would say the Speciale was better looking than a 488 and the Pista is the best of them all. Just my 2 cents May the Horse be with you
Just shows you it can be done. Buggered why Ferrari didn't take the same approach. I just don't get it. Early with Turbos, and now early with GPF and probably will be early on full Electric car
Because CO2 and particulates are very different. In fact they tend to be inverse - reduce CO2 and you increase particulates. Ferrari's system is more expensive and sophisticated and reduces CO2 more effectively - for example, on the EU combined cycle Ferrari have been able to reduce the F8's CO2 by 2gm/km over the 50hp less powerful 488. Direct injection has significant benefits for the metering of fuel under a very wide set of scenarios used in throttle mapping. However, one downside is that carbon deposits are left on the intake port and also it seems that control of particulates is harder, necessitating the GPF. In essence, DI gives the engine management system much better control over fuelling, especially effective under WOT applications, and is generally considered a better system for sports cars. You can, of course, look and see that the quoted CO2 for the 720 is actually lower than the F8, so why is it necessary? One reason can be that engines are tuned to minimise CO2 output on the test cycle, which recreates only a fraction of the scenarios you will encounter in the real world. The benefits of DI are also not limited to lower CO2, but things like reducing knock and improving response are key benefits. You can get more power, torque and have better control over how that is delivered. Again, the 720 is very powerful, probably more than the F8. McLaren have to find other ways of achieving that since you could conclude it is 'more powerful, in spite of being port-injected' rather than because of it. The control benefit over fuelling still stands with a DI engine though. Each manufacturer chooses what it wants to do but clearly Ferrari agree with the traditional view that DI is more modern and offers benefits that their older port-injection engines do not. From my own experience with now two of their GPF-equipped cars, as well as retaining some of my older non-GPF Ferraris, I'm personally really not worried by GPF in the slightest. I enjoy the sound of both my 812 and F8 and Speciale and Pista, and frankly, when you hear today that the EU are proposing even stricter CO2 reductions for their whole economy by 2030, post Covid (55% instead of 40%), a GPF-or-not equipped F8 is the least of the problems facing those who enjoy ICE.
Mclaren is considered by the EU as a small volume factory producing under 10 000 cars per year and there for into this special regulation to introduce the GPF just in 2021 and not in 2019/20. There for all Mclaren cars homologated in 2020 do mot have the GPF (including 765lt, Elva, Speedtail) New models homologated in 2021, do need the particular filter if soled in the EU. Porsche, Lamborghini = VAG Group, large manufactures, Ferrari over 10 000cars there for GPF for 2020.
Could you provide links indicating this because Ferrari is also SVM (small volume manufacturer, far fewer than 10,000 per year registered in EU, http://www.esca-online.eu/ ) and would have same exemption except their derogation was only until CY2020 (calendar year 2020), all the big manufacturers were to have GPF from September 2018 (that's why so many models were cancelled at that time) https://ec.europa.eu/growth/content/clean-mobility-new-emissions-tests-become-mandatory-all-new-cars-1-september-2018_en The SVM is more about exemptions from CO2 regulations than Particulate Emissions, for instance: https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/koenigsegg-geneva-show-coronavirus/ "Koenigsegg claims that with its state-of-the-art particulate filters and renewable fuel, the car could clean London’s air as it drives around." more from: http://www.esca-online.eu/issues/emissions/ Moreover, small volume car manufacturers responsible for less than 1,000 new car registrations in the EU also benefit from a de-minimis exemption under the CO2 Regulation ESCA fully supports the exemption regime as the derogation procedures are a lengthy and complicated processes, requiring significant resources for both the European Commission and ESCA members. Indeed, according to the Commission’s impact assessment, the scale of CO2 emissions from vehicles produced by manufacturers registering less than 1,000 cars a year is estimated to be around 5,000 tonnes per year, “which is a marginal impact”.[1] Excluding the first 1,000 cars from EU CO2 legislation will not generate any issue in terms of competitiveness, as vehicles produced in this range typically do not have competition from large volume manufacturers.
I was beside the new red Corvette on the road today and I was disappointed in the appearance. It had a plastic look about it and the rear is clumsily fashioned. A confused amalgam of straight lines, angles, and the vents were very cheap looking. Overall, it’s acceptable at its price point but no knowledgeable observer would mistake it for a super car.
I have a new red c8, and the msrp on mine is $65k. For that price point its more than fair. 0-60 under 3 seconds, v8, mid engine, handles well, removable targa top, sounds good with performance exhaust and gets a ton of looks. Nothing like my F8, but for under 100k its more than fair.
I guess it could be worse... ICE with GPF vs full electric... I will die burning dinosaurs, albeit efficiently and quieter....
Agreed... This is a very cheap under powered "supercar" (using the term loosely). There are many cosmetic and poor quality manufacturing defects.
Drove the demo today ad f of sv and was very impressed. I am more of a v12 guy and while I have owned a 458...just wasn’t dying to get an f8. That changed during a short drive. So usable, lovable and just right. I love how Porsche can keep pumping out versions of the 911 but Ferrari needs to do more between interactions...I think Ferrari is doing just fine.
Me too. I was very excited when it was announced and had very high expectations. Then it came out... I guess I really had very high expectations. I guess gonna have to wait for ZR1. However, I am afraid that it will become another straight line, dangerously over powered american car. Sits too high, looks a little disproportional, I don't like the interiors and there are a few major cosmetic issues. If they want to compete with the best, generally speaking about European Supercars, you have to blow them out of the water, You cant pretend to create and average vehicle. It has to excel in design, interior, exterior and performance with little to no errors. Only car american car that can still make headlines within the European Supercar community is the Ford GT and they made the car an overpriced underpowered beautifully designed car, because they could. The already had a name for themselves. I wonder what they will come up with next.
One thing I don't like about Porsche ( and I am a proud owner of a beautiful GT2 and a fan) is that they bastardize their line up (Mercedes also jumped into that strategy, not as terrible as Porsche). Porsche has the Carrera, Carrera S, C4, C4S, GTS, Turbo, Turbo S, GT3, GT3 Touring, GT2 (not released since 997 chassis, not sure if it will come back again, no news. I assume it will), GT2RS, 911R, 911 RSR (track only), 935 (track only and super special edition). Once they went all Turbo, I was hoping they would stick only with just Turbo and Turbo S, but financially knew it wouldn't happen so I hoped that they would then have Carrera 2RWD (turbo entry level), C4S (Turbo), Carrera Turbo S, GT3, GT3RS, GT2, GT2 RS and forget all other models, including stupid GTS. Of course, it didn't happen and now they're even using that nomenclature for the Taycan (That I will never understand). But who am I...
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