Ferrari of San Antonio sold me a damaged CPO car, lied to me, refuses to make it right.

Sure, but IF YOU don't insist and IF YOU don't ask, it is YOU that is responsible and NOT the other party. YOU are responsible, nobody else is.
Instead of looking at their own errors people nowadays have a growing tendency of simply blaming others.
(Generation Snowflake comes to my mind).

Marcel Massini

 

op, the time you are spending here is costing you more than another $1500, right? You need to move on, stop ranting on internet, or I am sure the counsel you have to retain will cost you way more than 30k from the gecko to defend your first amendment right when the other side is looking at libel. This is not about the truth at all, it's about who has deeper pocket and who is more pissed. It's not about justice or whether the truth prevails. Before you get to the judgement that protect your free speech right, you will have to spend thousands of dollars to even dismiss the case or ask for motion of summary judgement. Heck, the cost of you being deposed by the other side and your side of deposing the GM is still not covered even if you find a lawyer that is "no fees if no win."

Control your emotion. Stop writing and avoid opening yourself to potential liabilities. You have no idea who is reading this thread just like you had no idea of the condition of FF that you bought.

If this is your first ferrari, then you need to listen to us who have multiple. It's just a car sold by car dealership. Today it's exactly because you are dealing with a Ferrari dealership, that has a lot to do with you getting the whole car repurchased. They owned up their mistake already. If they didn't, they would have never repurchased the car regardless of whether you have threatened them a legal action.

Don't make a second mistake, @dgoldenz94. If you are really born in 1994, please really listen to some of us, move on. If you are not, then I am sure you know what we are talking about here because by now you should be old enough to have a few lawsuits under your belt. If you are lucky to have none so far, you don't want one at neither old or young age when you are the defending side.

Good luck.

 

CPO seems for some to be as valuable as i see classiche


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All used car dealers are the same, brands don't matter !

 

Speaking of Ferrari of San Antonio, I visited the dealership in early 2000 to talk about getting a Ferrari 456. I lived in Dallas at the time and Classic Ferrari was the dealer there. The salesguy at Classic Ferrari was a total ********* toward me so Ferrari of San Antonio was the next best option, and I was there visiting family for the holidays. So anyway, I spent about 2 hours at the dealership with the salesman answering all of my questions about the 456, ordering process, what other customers liked/disliked about it. Just a really nice guy. I told him that my stock would be available to sell in the fall and I'd come back to place an order around then.

On October 13, the market did a huge correction and my paper worth plummeted, so I didn't buy my 456. I kind of held on to the goal of buying my first Ferrari from them someday, but I ended up getting it from Ferrari of Denver.

I realize this is a non sequitur.

 

I've been waiting for this post all day today.

Marcel Massini

 

Are you suggesting complaining about a car dealer exposes you to legal liabilities? I'm not a lawyer, but seriously. As long as the complaints are factual, I don't see the problem. Indeed, maybe if more people complained, FNA might pay attention.

 

More than 100 posts in just a few hours on day one.........

Where's my popcorn?

Marcel Massini

 

I feel for the OP because it was his first Ferrari purchase and it was a rubbish one.

But, OP, you got off fine. The car was taken back without years of lawsuits, and now you know that if a dealer - any dealer of any car - makes an excuse about something, don’t believe them, They couldn’t do a video because you had a different type of phone? Hello>> this is 2020 not 1994. A video? Seriously?

You lost the transport cost but that was never the dealer’s problem. They sell cars.

Yes, they were economical with the truth. But they may have a great FF on their stock list also. They don’t care. They are there to sell cars, and that’s it. For you, it’s a dream purchase, for them it’s another bar of soap.

There are car dealers who are more caring and responsible than this. it took me decades and many purchases to find some. Hopefully it won’t take you so long. Enjoy the good FF you will buy after this experience of a bad FF. And caveat emptor - buyer beware - is still the basic rule of capitalism.

 

It has to do with your wording and phrasing.

Marcel Massini

 

We're on the same page. I would never buy a Ferrari, or other high dollar car, without somebody I trust laying eyes on it. In fact, I wouldn't buy a Ferrari at an auction unless I already knew the car very well.

But it would chap my butt if I took the time to look at a car (or hire somebody to do so) when there are glaring flaws that can be seen from 10 feet away. I don't trust people who waste my time like that.

In this case, I'm willing to bet the OP would have brought the car even if the salesman had disclosed the flaws. I hate playing games. Life is short, don't waste my time playing games.

 

Sensational phrasing.
Darius, you are a real pro.

Marcel Massini

 

Here's the biggier reality. If Ferrari wants to run with the big dogs and appeal to a younger generation, they're going to have to change their ways. Me, personally, I could care less. But airing dirty laundry is the way of the world today.

 

No that is not what I meant. The degree of the information presentation related to how true it is is based on how good the attorney is and how the jury are persuaded. Interpretation of what truth is is a different matter, because in this case we are not arguing the color of a flower here. It's either yellow or blue. When a word "lie" is involved, it's automatically a different game.

 

Finally the Frenchman me and the Italian agree on this post
All jokes aside appreciate all your knowledge Marcel and yes classiche is from my observation, often overrated to...sell, just like CPO it seems


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Bought online and without inspection?

Gimme a break.

Marcel Massini

 

Absolutely. OP does need your moral high ground. Everyone knows that it's better to see in person. Thanks for pointing the obvious. But he took a chance bc it's from an authorized dealer and a CPO car. Crazy of him to expect a presentable FF...even with 48k miles. Everyone would benefit from being able to buy without seeing in person. It means your market is the whole country or the world. But this dealer pretty much just **** on the whole concept.

He is not posting for us to cry on his behalf but to share how sleazy those 2 individuals at Ferrari of San Antonio are and how bad that particular FF is. Instead of saying thanks, we see a few members lecture him. Get off your high horses.

 

Very sorry to see this.

I bought a 612 from California, whilst living in NC. However, I had a third party do a PPI on the car for a reasonable fee. That allowed me to see an honest assessment from a certified independent Ferrari mechanic. So, whilst I never travelled there in person, the car was as advertised when it arrived.

If the seller refuses to allow an independent PPI, then walk away.

 

The more you read here the more you understand why dealers get away with doing this. I might be naive but this is not something id expect from a Ferrari dealer mostly bc i never got this treatment from any of the brands i bought in the past. The worst part is not the non disclosing, it's that they seem to not care that they did not and are still trying to pass the car as a nice one.

But since all of the burden falls on buyers, i guess that's why they do it.

Hopefully all potential FF buyers will find about this thread and steer clear from this car.

 

At the end of the day, a used car is a used car. And a used car dealer is a used car dealer, only real difference is the sales commission.

If Kia sold a used Kia for $100K? Sure, I'd still feel the same way. But Kia doesn't sell anything for $100K, and a used Kia can be had on almost every street corner, making a visual inspection a piece of cake, even if you're spending $5K or less.

I have sold a car, sight unseen, more than one actually. But the buyers knew the car by reputation, and got a very complete set of photos prior to purchase. Ask UroTrash if he was happy after his transaction with me. So it can be done, but not without a lot of careful homework, right?

I don't think I'll bug Sfumato on this one, he's got his own battles to fight, right?

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Vin for posterity

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An official Ferrari dealer presented a car in that condition!
I’m surprised they haven’t been stripped.



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I think you are overestimating the collective power of us here on an internet forum in terms of rectifying a dealer behavior. A dealer will either change its behavior when the owner is legally or administratively involved as a defending side and/or when the natural selection of the market forces the dealer out. How many people were originally planning to purchase from San Antonio now decided to back out due to op's statement remain to be seen, but I truly doubt every cpo car being sold at the dealer is similarly problematic. Has the dealer forbid the op to go visit the dealership and examin the car prior to the purchase? No. Therefore, for those who were originally planning to buy a car from San Antonion most likely would see the car in person, if the car checks out, a deal will then be made, regardless of the warning from this thread. So the behavior of the dealer will not change. But if anyone were to approach the dealer and say to them, I am now worried because of the information in this thread and you need to give me more reassurance of not screwing me over like you did to op. How about you fly me over to examine the car? Of course the dealer will say no, and the deal may flop. Now the legal team of the dealership have even more ammunition because they can portrait a financial loss. Now you can see how this would go.

Neither Marcel or I are coming from high horse. The Op is still making the same mistake of believing the strangers - that none of us would screw him over even unintentionally, just like how he could not believe a ferrari dealership would not initally.

So the best way to handle it is stop ranting on internet, just commented briefly how the car that is cpo has all the cosmetic damages, and stopped right there and let the picture speak for itself. The op should write a formal letter to the governing entities for the dealership's business or even file a small claim and force the owner to answer the suit. That way I bet the GM will get into a lot of hot water. Ask me how I know.

 

I've been a seller a few times, and after the last sale , I'm not selling again to someone who doesn't look at the car.
I'm not siding with the dealer but these things come to mind.
Everything is relative to perspective.
One man's treasure is another man's junk.
People need to own their decisions
Consequences can be either beneficial or detrimental
People are not mind readers.

 

and you have the best picture of your login.