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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    When Hamilton asked over the radio whether he could practice the starts further forward from the usual position the Mercedes engineers thought he wanted to move just a little bit further - not down to the pit exit. They couldn't see him, hence the misunderstanding.
     
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  2. ingegnere

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    Why, to avoid chance of snow later in the afternoon, LOL? At least they didn’t go ahead with the plan for a Montreal race in October.
     
  3. tifosi12

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    Who is that Crofty you guys are referring to?

    It's Gordon Ramsey, don't you know him from all his cooking shows?

    :D
     
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    Red Bull Racing have recorded the FASTEST PITSTOP OF THE SEASON - 1.86s for Max Verstappen followed up with a 1.89s stop for Albon.

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  5. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Not surprised to see LH not gain on Max. By design the car will suffer in crowds and dirty air. He was lucky to be on the podium
    Vettel is useless and his performances in equal machinery show his lack of pace vs Charles. Ferrari had good reason to not even offer a deal/contract to him. Useless he is now
     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

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  7. ingegnere

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    Why is it that the RBR belongs that far up (see Albon position) but Ferrari doesn’t?

    Both finishing positions for Max and Charles are the result of very capable drivers extracting the best from a car. Something, obviously, Albon and Vettel can’t do.
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

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  9. DF1

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    In comparison to Max id take Gasly or Albon. Albon is hardly a factor. I see Gasly with a bit more confidence and capability now.................
     
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  10. ingegnere

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    What I really like about Charles is that he’s not afraid to go wheel-to-wheel, he’s very good at positioning and controlling his car and, unlike Vettel, he’s not the one spinning out when he’s on the inside, LOL.
     
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  11. DF1

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    The words Ricci used are those of a driver at work. LH words showed expectation. The words Ricci used are the perfect response for LH who actually was in a faster car. Pathetic response by LH today.
     
  12. DF1

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    #137 DF1, Sep 27, 2020
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    So no conspiracy, indicating LH should just shut it, and focus on driving..........................
     
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  13. DF1

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    Stroll hit Charles after the apex where understeer could be expected. Charles gave all the room needed. Lance has brakes yes? He made an attempt at a pass and took himself off the race. Hence racing incident. It only cost him. Charles forced nothing on little Lance.
     
  14. ricksb

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    Did he say anything about it, other than calling the penalties b.s.? If talking about pitting early, he has a tendency to question strategy changes.
     
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    Albon is not good.

    Vettel has lost the plot. Charles is outperforming the car...he puts it in positions ahead of faster cars with good starts and long stints and is able to keep others behind him (sometimes)
     
  16. jgonzalesm6

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    Okay, what about Austria when Lewis hit Albon.....same incident like Leclerc & Stroll....Lewis got a 5 sec penalty and 2pts added to his superlicense.

    I guess it's the inconsistency of penalties with different race stewards at each race even though the "incidents" are similar.
     
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  17. 375+

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    Seb's heart isn't in it, I would like to see Kimi back in his old seat. Albon needs a sports psychologist.
     
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  18. william

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    Unless they are newcomer to F1 and still need some coaching, any driver worth his salt should question strategy changes, IMO.
    I have seen over the years plenty of mistakes made by"strategists", race engineers or even team principals.
    That's true for several teams, and some GPs being lost because of wrong calls from the pitwall.
    Ricciardo losing the Monaco GP, Kimi being knocked out in Q1 several times, wrong tyre choice at Mercedes, are only a few examples.
    In most cases, the driver was wrongly instructed and paid the price.
     
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  19. ricksb

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    I hate to agree, but you are correct. Actually, Hamilton forced Albon wide into the gravel versus spinning him into a crash. It didn’t make sense that driver contact from behind resulted in the end of the race for the leading car and no penalty for the trailing one.

    F1 duplicity...probably why I’m reading comments on here about LH saying “they’re out to get me’
     
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  20. ingegnere

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    True about Kimi. He was right up with Vettel with the presumably inferior Alfa.

    Considering he was closer to Vettel in his last year at Ferrari than previous years, I would suggest he’d be making out better than Vettel at Ferrari this year.
     
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  21. ingegnere

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    What about Max pushing Charles off at Austria last year—no penalty. Thing is Charles kept the car straight instead of spinning like Stroll did.
     
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  22. william

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    Yes, you are proven WRONG Mr Jaski !! Read the following/

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    Hamilton's penalty points removed by F1 stewards

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-penalty-points-removed-russia/4883276/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-22

    The Formula 1 race stewards have dropped the penalty points awarded to Lewis Hamilton for his practice start infringements ahead of the Russian Grand Prix, giving Mercedes a fine instead.
    Hamilton was hit with a 10-second time penalty for two separate practice start violations ahead of Sunday's race at the Sochi Autodrom.

    The Mercedes driver served the penalty during the race, causing him to drop to third as teammate Valtteri Bottas won the race.

    Hamilton was also hit with two penalty points on his FIA super licence for the incidents, taking him up to 10 points for the 12-month period and leaving him just two points off a one-race ban.

    But the FIA stewards have now performed a U-turn and removed the penalty points given to Hamilton, replacing them with a €25,000 fine for Mercedes.

    "The Stewards received information from the team that the driver of car 44 had received a team instruction to perform the practice start in the incorrect place," the bulletin reads.

    "This was confirmed by the Stewards having listened to the audio between the team and the driver.

    "Based on this information the Stewards replace [the penalty points] with this decision and therefore remove the penalty points imposed and fine the competitor (Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team) €25,000."

    Hamilton had been instructed by race engineer Pete Bonnington to complete his two practice starts in the locations where he did, both of which were adjudged to have gone against race director Michael Masi's instructions.

    Hamilton called the penalty "ridiculous" and said after the race that officials were "trying to stop me", while Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff felt the sanction was "far-fetched".

    With the penalty points removed, Hamilton is back down to eight points for the 12-month period. The next points will drop off his super licence after the Turkish Grand Prix in November.

    Asked by Motorsport.com about the error, Wolff said Mercedes could not understand how the stewards had reached the conclusion to issue the penalty.

    "The verdict was he wasn't in the right place," Wolff said.

    "There is no mention what the right place is in the director's note, nor is it in the regulations. So we agree to disagree on that one. The other one was not driving at constant speed in the reconnaissance laps, and there again, it's debatable.

    "But the race has happened. He received the 10 seconds penalty. So for a reconnaissance lap, infringement, an in-race penalty, can be debated also.

    "But you have to take it on the chin and move on."




    Many people heard the radio communication between Hamilton and his pit, but you kept insisting relentlessly that Hamilton was at fault.

    So much for your objectivity !!!
     
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  23. ingegnere

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    Agree to disagree. Yes, Charles is excellent at starts (when others are tentative and not feeling the car yet) and in wheel-to-wheel action but he’s not adding extra electrons or downforce points, he’s just always on the limit. Same as Max.

    Car is not that bad when they’re able to put some good levels of downforce without unduly compromising speed on the straights. Look at how long they went on the (M)s today. They killed the tires in Tuscany because downforce was too compromised for the long straight.
     
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  24. ingegnere

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    This^^

    Hamilton should have known where he was allowed or not to do his starts—like every other driver knew.

    Team member falling on the sword again. Jeez, you’d think they’d been routed and lapped. All this fuss about Ham must really be making Bottas feel supported, LOL.
     
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  25. DF1

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    Similar but not the same??
     
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