Grosjean in 2012? I can't remember exactly, but did the lap 1 crash at Spa put him over the points threshold for a ban or was it a straight ban specifically for that incident? All the best, Andrew.
Sure. That's because the challenges for MS were other faster teams, and developing the Ferrari into a contender. Who was available and as fast as Hakkinen ?
Yes indeed ; I was there wondering where Alonso and Hamilton were until the screens showed it - straight ban. Alonso ended up losing the championship by only 3 points but such is life. Best, Sammy
That's about it. Barrichello was far from slow, for example. Schumacher, except in 2002 and 2004, always had other teams challenging him, each with their one #1 driver. Often, he was the one as the challenger for the faster team... Lewis on the other hand had driven the last 6 seasons in a car with an advantage as large as the F2002/4, never really had any challengers for the title. In fact, the only time they had a ''challenger'' for the title was when very early on in the season they had a breakdown. When a 1-3 on saturday/sunday counts as a bad day....for 6 seasons (and counting), frankly you have to be handicapped not to win titles in that car. As Ross Brawn said about Schumacher, he won many races that he shouldn't have won, even in the golden Ferrari years. They where the golden Ferrari years because of Schumacher...If Mercedes had hired Hulkenberg for 2014 instead, he would be on his 6th title charge now, too.
Not in his case - 2012 I think he had 7 first lap crashes the first 12 races - he managed to not crash in the 13th race cos he was banned Best, Sammy
Right. He and Pastor Maldonado were in a battle to see who could wreck out the most during the season. While Maldonado was often the more criticized non-driver, Grosjean's crap in 2012 significantly impacted the WDC race. That would have been Alonso's championship if he'd lost his superlicense in a timely fashion.
Ross Brawn once said that Barrichello was better than Schumacher in doing the car set up and had a more heightened sensitivity for small set up changes.
Yes I'm sure it's very mentally draining that they send their dogs on them and demand extra sensors to put on their cars for 2 years nearly. Oh wait. That wasn't Mercedes.
I remember that...Schumacher found ways to drive around the problem, which is great of course, but doesn't make the car as fast as it could possibly be.
So, Rubens was a better development and evaluation driver, while Schumacher had the better race-craft.
Yep. Almost as though it were written by Nico Rosberg, himself. Here's some actual history: It is an undeniable fact that Hamilton was beaten fair and square by his only real competition: an above average driver in, at best, equal equipment, despite every advantage overtly given to him by the team. The team owns every single win on Lewis' record, full stop, and Lewis is merely a pilot who knows how to play the game. Full respect to the team, and kudos to Lewis for not effing up the free lunch. But, really, let's stop pretending it is something it isn't and never will be. I don't like Vettel (at all), but I have more respect for Vettel than Hamilton. Vettel knew in his heart that he was riding the mighty Red Bull team to victory, and that his victories proved nothing about his talent. He knew that the people around him were blowing smoke, and could have ridden off into the sunset, but he needed to know for himself for sure whether or not he had it. He, like others in this thread, also knew why Michael is Michael. Well, as Gordon Lightfoot said, "heroes often fail" and it didn't work out for him. But, I have massive respect for him for making that move. The stakes were huge and he bet on himself, putting it all on the line. Better to have loved and lost, as it were. Hamilton, well, he prefers his safe space. As a result, we will likely just never know. And, in his heart, neither will he. As for comparisons to Michael, well, Michael built the team. The team built Lewis. Enough said.
He knows; we know. HAM won his first title with McLaren; he went to Mercedes (to replace MSC who hadn't actually won anything with them) when they weren't the best team. He is part of what has made them into the great team that they are now.
It's difficult for some to gage Schumacher's talent because he had no champion team mate as Senna and Hamilton did. Jenson Button beat Barrichello 2009. Hamilton then beats Button the year after. If Schumacher had teamed with Hakkennin or Alonso, his resume would look more impressive. Rosberg beat him 3 years. Hamilton already done so many things that Micheal has'nt done. Micheal help build a team along with Brawn and others. This is not a requirement to be a great driver. Neither Senna, Fangio, Clark help build a team, and they are still great.
Aha its another case of those rose tinted glasses, ok I'll play. Regards Nico, after getting lucky with Hams bad car reliability, it then took that much mental and physical effort for him to beat Hamilton he retired straight after, fact. And lets face it Hamilton did not have the luxury of having a designated #2 driver like MS had, Nico was out to beat him, so much so Toto Wolff threatened team orders in future races. In Hamilton's rookie year he beats the man MS feared Alonso, Hamilton stunned 2 x world champion Alonso. Hamilton had more than held his own against a driver still heralded by many as the best driver in the sport at that time, fact. MS also had the luxury of endlessly testing his car in Ferrari's back yard, thereafter Hamilton endured testing restrictions, so it somewhat negates your sentiments on MS building the car and team, as the rules did not allow Hamilton to have that opportunity. As regards to that it's the team who built Hamilton, and he is merely a pilot, well that is completely laughable, it appears that you have forgotten that the teams pay and chose who they think is best! to drive the car, so lets stop pretending that anybody could pilot the car to the success its had, as you are trying to infer. MS drove in his prime in a different set of circumstances under Mosley, in a completely different ball game, and one that is not comparable. So It maybe hard to swallow, but you say nothing to diminish his success in any way shape or form in a safe space or not, full stop.
When Lewis and Rosberg were team mates, Lewis won 3 out of 4; and in Rosberg's winning season Lewis had more DNFs due to mechanical issues that Nico.
Yep. Michael's driving technique was proven to be quicker on the overlays, compared to ALL his team mates.
Yes, although Lewis had the superior team of engineers. That's why Lewis got pissed when Rosberg hijacked them in 2016
Vettel suffers from thinking his titles via a tailored Newey design, show he is a great. He ran from Ricciardo and is fired via Charles. Consistently beaten by new team mates. His leaving RedBull was anything but bold. Was the result of a sound defeat by a faster driver in equal machinery. Kimi was a non threat and that alone caused points loss at Ferrari. Too comfortable he was. Vettel does not like to be pushed. When pushed he fails. Race craft lacking. Anger management lacking. Great driver attacks the pressure. Rises to it. Vettel is defeated and demoted. His future will be interesting......
