430 Lifting with F1 and the smoothest least clutch wear shift from 1-2nd

I do the same, I feel if you’re not getting fully on the gas the car makes the clutches slip more during shifting if that makes sense. I may be just imagining things and have no idea what I’m talking about too....


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I do not lift when shifting from 2nd to 6th as I believe the clutch system is disengaging and reengaging the clutch disc so quickly there is almost NO slip.
I do agree it feels smoother when lifting which may be attributing to a softer clutch engagement equating to possible more slip of the clutch.
However I can see your point on take offs and reverse...again with your concept treating it like a three pedal vehicle.
Lets see what others have to say.

 

I have only owned my 430 spider for ~ a year (3 K miles), but I never lift (at least not intentionally) when upshifting I think it all happens so fast, that it would not matter anyway I thnk what happens many times, is that especially if I am north of 7 rpms when shifting (which is most of the time ), the F1 is so brutal, that I mentally "flinch" and likely slightly lift the throttle not entirely sure tho, as I also simultaneously giggling as the car cracks off the shift!! I phreaking love this car

Also, when I first got the car, I asked the forum the same question, and I believe I was pointed to the owners manual where it clearly tells you not to lift when shifting

 

I’m honestly curious what most people who are getting 10-15k miles out of a clutch are doing. I’ve got 34,500 miles on my 2006 F430 and Ferrari told me one week ago I had 52% of my clutch remaining (not used). I’m not the original owner but I have a detailed service history and there’s no mention of the clutch having ever been replaced. Because I’m not the original owner, I can’t comment on how the previous owners drove it; however, I can say I’m careful not to slip the clutch any more than is absolutely necessary. Generally speaking, I don’t let off of the gas when changing gears. I do avoid repeatedly engaging the clutch In a short amount of time ( e.g. pulling forward/backward to back into a parking spot, stop and go traffic that inches forward causes me untold grief, etc.). I do like to drive it fast but not hard.

 

I let a friend of mine drive my 360 recently and he was lifting completely and I kept trying to tell him that wasn't necessary, just leave the throttle alone. A miserable experience, and I made a trip to the chiropractor thereafter.

 

Out of curiosity how is your approach to stops and starts? Meaning once the light turns green, what rpm are driving off at initially so the clutch bites, but doesn’t slip. I always aim for around 1800 rpm initially and that gets me going with minimal slip, I think, then apply slightly more throttle and shift from 1st-2nd around 3500-4K rpm. Seems 1-2 gear shifts, inching forward, and unnecessary reverse is where the clutch wear gets people

 

I wonder if everyone is just overthinking this. I leave mine in race mode and take off at lights at the same, sometimes slower pace than the other cars. I don’t let off and kind of enjoy the slaps, makes it feel special. I can’t see why the owners manual would tell you not to lift unless it wasn’t ok. If I want buttery shifts I just drive the Lexus.

 

I don't lift off. It's not a shopping station wagon, it's my weekend getaway fun, it's used as it's intended.
When the clutch needs to be changed, I change it.

(My clutch wear is about ~6% per 10000km/6213 miles, race mode, hard non-lift shifts, city+highway driving).

 

Don't lift off, like the kicks, it feels more engaging. If manual says not to lift I figure they know best

I do wait for clutch to engage before giving it the beans when in 1st gear, don't want the clutch slipping at high rpm, that's how they burn out

 

Our approaches sound very similar. I haven't really checked the rpms when starting off but around 1800 sound about right. I give it a little more gas than I do my daily driver but, really, just enough to get a good clean start. For me, the worst part is backing out of the garage and the subsequent back-and-forth I must make to face the road. Also, my driveway is on an incline so I always ensure I can move onto the road in front of my house without stopping to let someone pass then restarting. It's not bad really and I pretty much have it down to a science now. I think you're exactly right about 1-2 shifts, inching forward and unnecessary reversing.

 

I don't lift either.
I try not to worry about the clutch wear because I knew what i was getting into buying this car.
When it needs replacing I'll replace it.
But I will be trying that LC button before though

 

I find a very slight lift helps with smoothness when driving around town shifting on a light throttle at low RPM. No idea whether it helps or hurts the clutch but it certainly feels smoother. I have had passengers who are car guys comment how smooth the car feels because they had been led to believe the F1 was a clunky slow gearbox.

The car doesn’t rev match on downshifts while not in race mode I believe so I try to give it some help with a little blip when changing down in those circumstances.

When driving hard in sport mode I keep my foot flat down when changing up at the redline. I like the feeling of the car banging in the next gear, it’s what the F1 is about IMO. That’s probably not the best in terms of longevity for clutch or engine mounts but those things don’t keep me awake at night.

My own instinct (having grown up driving manual personal and work vehicles) is that shifting on the move (between 2-3-4-5-6) contributes little to wear in any case.

It’s the heavy traffic (especially here in HK), the standing starts and reversing (on any type
of incline) that kills clutches in my view. The only time I ever got a clutch smell in my car was reversing a slight uphill into my car wash place.

Lots of owners here in HK complain about their transmission giving overheat warnings - which has never happened to me even in heavy traffic and 100 degrees plus weather.

Another thing I like to do is hold it on the footbrake with my left foot and feed in the throttle when taking off uphill, slowly letting off the brake simultaneously with the clutch taking up. If you let it roll back on hills and expect the transmission to pick up the strain you can expect your clutch to have a short and beautiful life.