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Looking for 360 and 430 F1 TCU pinout/wire diagrams.

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  1. ForzaLaVida

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    Hello all, I'm in need of the F1 system wire diagrams, and the TCU pinouts for the 360 and 430 cars.
     
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    Thank you very much!
     
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    You're welcome.

    By the way, I'm updating this diagram on a daily basis (if not hourly). The gear selector panel internals may be very similar to the 355F1's panel (that also has a 7 pin plug with similar wiring colours). I've added a graphic of the 355 panel internals (from the Workshop Manual) along with some tags on the wires on connector 2P (to be confirmed)

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/Acl9FIRATgG0aDzz

    For info, the graphic of the fuseblock is from the 360 WSM. Ferrari wiring diagrams seem to show their devices as viewed from the rear/underside, so the orientation of the fuses in the diagram may not match the orientation on the car. Always go by wire colour (where visible).
     
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    I just checked a spare gear selector for a 360 challenge car, it's the same as the pin-out above.
     
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    Excellent. Does this include the 3900 ohms on pins 4 and 5 with the Auto button un-pushed?

    I couldn't find any wiring related to the gear selection display on the Speedo. Perhaps the experts can tell me how the F1 TCU communicates with the gear display in the instrument cluster. CAN bus?
     
  9. ForzaLaVida

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    Yes, its carried on the CAN bus, I just got my new CAN test equipment this afternoon, I'll have a list of the Magneti CAN messages shortly.

    I'll have the schematic done in a bit for the F1 control
     

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    Hey, the pinouts I traced are slightly different from the 355, I would need someone to take the back off of a 355 F1 box and snap a pic.

    Here is a rough draft.
    Pin 3 of the LED's inside the switches, are internally tied to ground. The resistor that says 800, = 800ohms.
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    Interesting, this is the back of a 355 F1, It's the same (trace layout) as the 360 F1 unit. Lets verify the harness wires asap so we can delete any bad data.
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    I don't know if the 355 WSM diagram is simplified or if the actual 355 gear selector is different internally. I did note the part number was different and it's clear that the resistor has a different value.

    Your rough drafts are quite impressive :D May I incorporate a miniaturised version of this into my diagram?

    Looks like that relay is only for low traction.
     
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    That will be up to you or someone else since I have neither F1 car, just a gated one.
     
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    Is it a 360 gated car?
     
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    Go for it, 100% duty free!
     
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    Sorry, F355
     
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    That's very kind of you to mention me. Shoot me some pics of your car! The first F car I drove was a gated 355 challenge car, Granted it was just down the driveway, but still.
     
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    Looking at your diagram, it seems that AUTO has no resistor in the circuit?

    And what is the function of the D1 LED? In photos, the gear selector panel looks like solid aluminium.
     
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    That is correct, Auto is literally just a switched link.

    It lights up the R mask on the Reverse lever dust shield.
     

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    The 355F1 schematic shows a 3.9k ohm resistance on the paddle switch contacts when the paddles are not pulled. I wonder if it's the same on the 360F1?

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    I'll let you know next week!
     
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    Hey, do you know where pins 6 and 14 go, on the OBDII header? that's the position for the can high and low (pin 14 = CAN LOW, pin 6 = CAN HIGH)


    Also, I'm working on the pinout for the F1 TCU, do you have a spreadsheet made already?
     

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