P1 in ct, bradan on long island. I dont know the nj shops.
Ferrari didn't fix the DCT sensor issue for the 458 or first gen California when they were failing, Ferrari don't really care much, i think they count on their customers not putting many miles on the car, and by the time things fail the car has exchanged hands or ran out of warranty. Great brand, not very reliable and don't stand by their product- Porsche put a 10 year, TENNNNNNN YEAR warranty on their 991.1 GT3's when they discovered engine issues
And we keep buying Ferraris. And trying to make them better every time we work on them. Must be a cult !!
Exactly, even with the headaches we go through, if anyone asked me what do i want my next car to be...i'll say another Ferrari lol this is what Ferrari banks on!
Hello Everyone, Did Ferrari ever deal with this PTU issue? Is there a year when they finally fixed it or this problem across all years? This reminds me of the carrier gear issue on BBi, Testarosa, and 512 TR. After about ten years of gear boxes exploding, they fixed the part in '94 the last year of 512 TR.
Luckily we now have a fix from 3rd parties. It’s the same as with rebuilding F1 actuators. Ferrari didn’t want to know so others have solved the problem.
Also wondering if anyone has had experience to report with these 3rd party fixes, as this is probably the one thing that sticks in my mind when browsing listings for used FFs...
I had a PTU failure out of warranty, the dealer only wanted to sell me a complete unit which was likely to fail again anyway! I have a ex Ferrari tech (Martin Parkes) who looks after my car for issues outside of annual servicing. As the seals and the the actuator forks are not very well made we set out to get the forks and seals re-engineered. This took some time but the results are they are made out of much stronger materials. I have done many miles since the repair and the car has been perfect. Happy to recommend Martin to anyone who is having this PTU issue.
Welcome to the forum Steve and thank you for relating your story and the fix. Can you tell us what year your car is and how old it was when the PTU failed (and the mileage it failed at)? Can you also tell us how many miles you’ve put on the car since Martin (SS Autotech) re-engineered the PTU for you? thank you.
My car is 2012 done approx 13k miles when it happened. I have done 4k miles since with no issues at all. The main issue is the the recess for the circlip that holds the seals in isn't machined deep enough so with the oil pressure it forces the circlip off and pops the sealout causing the 2 fuilds to mix in the box. Replacing the seal would be only a short term fix. The actuator forks I now have in the PTU are not cast like the originals, but machined from a single billet and then the tips coated for extra strength. Its an amazing piece of engineering, just let down but the original manufacturing process.
@Gabbo99 You had these guys work on it right - https://www.ssautotech.co.uk/ferrari-ff-ptu-rebuild.html
Thanks Steve. How long ago did the PTU fail? I keep a database of known failures and one of the datapoints is the car's age at the time of failure. Thanks again.
I’m aware the PTU never really got much better from the factory, but as for the Getrag DCT, is anyone aware of what year they did a ‘upgrade’ to the internals? They started the AMG GT in 2015 labeled as a 2016 model so I’m curious if the 2016 FF’s are a better bet than a 2015 FF, since the 2016 FFs would share the same internals as a AMG GT. I don’t want to budget fixing a DCT and a PTU.
Well, it's been nearly a year since the last update on the PTU failure register. In that time, four more examples of failure have been posted on FChat but it's worth noting that two of the failures date back to 2019 so there have only been 2 'new' failures in 2020/21. There are now 22 confirmed PTU failures reported on FChat. There are other anecdotal failures too - a couple with track abuse and one with front end crash damage. The best case failure rate is if we have a record of all PTU failures (and we know for a fact that we don’t). Of the 22 reported PTU failures, 15 are for FFs. In that case, the best case failure is 0.8% over a weighted fleet age of 8.33 years. That’s a failure rate of 0.1% per annum. If only 15% of the owners with a PTU problem reported it on here then the true failure rate would be 0.65% each year. That’s equivalent to 12 cars a year in Europe+Americas or 19 cars a year worldwide. The correlations between age and mileage at the point of failure haven't been altered much by the four new data points (they've declined slightly). Here's the chart including the ex-Lederman car. Average mileage and age at point of failure are 17,950 miles and 4.4 years. The standard deviation of both are 11,350 miles and 1.9 years. Image Unavailable, Please Login Removing the ex-Lederman car from the sample, we get the correlation below. The average mileage at point of failure falls to 16,150 miles but age rises slightly to 4.5 years. The mileage standard deviation falls to 8,700 miles but, again, age rises slightly to 2.0 years. The ex-Lederman car skews the mileage up because he drove it so much but this same factor also has the effect of skewing the age stats down! Image Unavailable, Please Login
In 2020 my service manager noticed a VERY SLIGHT noise coming from the front when car was put in 1st gear and just started to move forward. He flushed the PTU and that solved the problem. I had 38k miles at the time. I wonder if that prevented a failure Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
As a bit of side bar, since I just got my FF a couple of weeks ago I got into the conversation about PTU failures with the service manager at my dealer. He told me he started working at the dealer in 2011 right when the FF was coming in, and said he's had maybe 5-6 failures in his entire time there. So at this rate we'll say 1 failure every 2 years for their entire pool of FF's serviced. He understandably couldn't give me an estimate of how many FF's they've serviced, he just told me it was a lot, too many to even think of counting.
there are only about 3k FFs in the world, so break that down by region and dealer and mathematically it cant be more than a few. even a huge dealership may have max of 50 they see.
Yeah makes sense, so we can easily assume somewhere in the neighborhood of 10%-15% failure rate for them.
