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  1. XSpeed

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    #1 XSpeed, Dec 10, 2020
    I really hate ferrari didn't allow me install an antigravity battery. That could have solved all my problems.

    Now even though battery is replaced about a month ago, after 10 days of not using the car battery is below a point where car doesn't start.

    what is a dumbproof way of starting it without accidentally causing a short circuit or anything? i looked at jump starter powerbanks but couldn't tell which one to get.

    Smallest and easiest to carry would be my preference.

    Do any of these make sense: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/s?k=jump+starter+powerbank&rh=p_72%3A419117031%2Cp_90%3A6712313031&dc&qid=1607595097&rnid=6712312031&ref=sr_nr_p_90_1

    I thought about getting this but wasn't sure if I'm doing anything wrong:

    https://www.amazon.de/-/en/GB40-UltraSafe-Portable-Lithium-Battery/dp/B015TKUPIC
     
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    #2 XSpeed, Dec 10, 2020
    another question, could any of these jumpstarters be used through the 12v lighter slot in the California T without needing to open the front?
     
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    #3 Wheels1, Dec 10, 2020
    Not sure what car you have, guessing Portofino, if you read the manual it will say if you can jump start it or not, my friends Portofino battery died when in France this summer, the recovery man jump started it but every light came on the dash, but his battery was no good, the next day the same thing happened and it had to be shipped back home.
    As yours battery is new it may be worth a try but please check the manual first or ring your dealer. When the car got back to the UK, the Ferrari dealer fitted an Odyssey Battery.
    Oh you just said as I was typing this.
     
  4. Il Co-Pilota

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    #4 Il Co-Pilota, Dec 10, 2020
    Not even close. You will fry the harness. It is not made for such currents.

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    #5 Il Co-Pilota, Dec 10, 2020
    You can use a NOCO portable booster, but that dinky GB40 won't cut it. Get either a GB150 or at the least a GB70. These cars need a lot of juice to start.

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    #6 m5shiv, Dec 10, 2020

    No !
     
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    #7 tomc, Dec 10, 2020
    Wasn't there a recent thread where someone posted up on the NOCO portable booster for their 488 GTB because they were having so many issues with flat/weak battery?
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    #8 Wheels1, Dec 10, 2020
    As above, my sat nav fried the fuse on my Cali T in the cigar lighter,there is no way it would take a large voltage
     
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    #9 Redneck Slim, Dec 10, 2020
    The Portofino Owner's Manual is very clear (page 174): DO NOT JUMP START.
     
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    #10 Nospinzone, Dec 10, 2020
    If you get a CTEK 7002 you can slowly recharge the battery. Plus this will work better than your lower grade Ferrari CTEK at keeping the battery charged.
     
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    #11 vjd3, Dec 10, 2020
    I've started my Cali T with a Noco booster, had no issues. But if you can't connect the car regularly to a tender, the only thing I can think of would be to disconnect the negative terminal so the car can't drain the battery. That has other ramifications, no doubt.

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    #12 XSpeed, Dec 10, 2020
    the one on your pic is GB40, does it have enough power? like Il Co-Pilota mentioned, shouldn't you get a bigger one?

    By the way this is the battery ferrari got me. still dead after a week or 10 days.

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  13. drcollie

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    #13 drcollie, Dec 10, 2020
    New batteries do not go dead in 10 days, You have either:

    1) a bad battery with a dead cell

    2) something left on sufficient to drain the battery or an electrical drain of some kind (one of these more likely)

    3) Bad starter solenoid or poorly attached terminal lead if there is no "Click" when you engage the starter. Check your terminals for tightness, they should not move or rotate

    You cannot jump start through a cigarette lighter or 12v plug.

    There is nothing magic about a Ferrari battery and you can jump start it, from the owner's manual on page 174

    Emergency starting
    If the battery is flat, you can perform an emergency start by connecting
    the special jump leads to the battery of another vehicle, a portable jump
    starter or an external battery.

    If you are not familiar with jump starting, get some help from someone who is. Last thing you want to do is get your terminals reversed or incorrectly attached and fry your electrics, that would be very expensive.

    You can fit other batteries in there, such as Anti-Gravity, however if you have an electrical drain those will go dead as well.

    Good luck.
     
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    #14 Redneck Slim, Dec 10, 2020
    The Portofino manual does not contain that statement.
     
  15. Il Co-Pilota

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    #15 Il Co-Pilota, Dec 10, 2020
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    You can't use normal rules here. He got a new OE battery, and those CAN go bad in no time. And this went bad because the car sat, and Ferrari batteries cannot sit.

    To those talking about the Porto. XSpeed has a T and it is perfectly fine to jump them.

    XSpeed the reason why I say the GB40 is a poor choice is because your battery is done for. If the battery is just low it will still aide in starting. I've seen a few guys in my neck of the woods try the GB40 on FF's, Lusso's and T's, and they rarely worked. The GB70 is not hat much mire expensive or bulky, but it has twice the power. A no-brainer if you ask me.

    Ask your dealer if they will install either a Braille B10049 or a Varta Silver Dynamic.
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    #16 Il Co-Pilota, Dec 10, 2020
    You might want to reread that manual. Looks like you've missed something
     
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    #17 vjd3, Dec 10, 2020
    The GB40 started my California T several times when I was having battery issues. But I can't see why a more powerful one would be a bad idea.
     
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    #18 greyboxer, Dec 10, 2020
    Just in case we have different versions - page 174 of this version does permit jumping

    Emergency starting
    If the battery is flat, you can perform an emergency start by connecting
    the special jump leads to the battery of another vehicle, a portable jump
    starter or an external battery.

    Code no. 807473
    Catalogue no. 5777/17
    UEIL update
    Edition 2, December 2017
     
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    #19 Wheels1, Dec 10, 2020
    Is there not anything on the market that you could say recharge at home and plug into the trickle charge port of the car and it would charge your battery in the car, for those who don't have the option of a mains lead to keep the car on trickle charge? There must be many people in this situation.
     
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    #20 Redneck Slim, Dec 10, 2020
    Mine is dated April 2018. It says : "The emergency jump starting procedure must only be performed by an AUTHORIZED FERRARI DEALER. DO NOT JUMP START THE VEHICLE.
     
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    #21 vjd3, Dec 10, 2020
    Something like this, perhaps, that you could plug the Ferrari tender into, recharging the unit when needed? Basically an indoor generator. Presumably it would take a long time for that little battery tender to drain something like this. Can even charge it with a solar panel. But it's not cheap, naturally.

    https://kohlerpower.com/en/powerequipment/products/generators/product/encube18

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    #22 Redneck Slim, Dec 10, 2020
    So Ferrari updated its recommendations on jump starting the Portofino and now says don't do it. It would be useful to know why.
     
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    #23 XSpeed, Dec 10, 2020
    just saw the smoke coming out of the NOCO Boost in the video and got pissed off.

    i was also planing to keep the booster in the car. i'm fxxxed if that happens.

    fxxx this. decade old problems. Ferrari doesn't come up with a decent solution. even one month sitting in the garage is not a problem for many cheap cars.

    In my case battery is not completely dead. i didn't get the circle of death where abs esc and every system component throws error when battery is low. mine is little bit more than 10 but not enough to start the car so I'm thinking new battery doesn't have any issues. I don't think there is any component draining too much battery neither.

    i checked with two Ferrari dealers, they told me the same. they won't install antigravity or braille. I spoke to generic services, they told me they are not taking the risk of doing Ferrari. circling in a loop. wasted a whole day again.

    With antigravity, car can sit for a year and still there is an emergency remote start option because the battery keeps a reserve. How is that not a standard feature, I don't understand.

    Ordered the nocco boost but I'll send it back.

    I'll do the Ferrari roadside assistance each time this happens.

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    #24 Nospinzone, Dec 10, 2020
    The reason for that is basic cars (I wouldn't characterize them as "cheap") do not have anywhere near the electronics as most high end cars. For example I can't leave my wife's new Porsche Panamera parked for more than 8 to 10 days without putting it on a tender.

    As I said, get a CTEK 7002 and you will not have a problem, at least for the normal life of the battery, whichever you purchase.
     
  25. Il Co-Pilota

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    #25 Il Co-Pilota, Dec 10, 2020
    Is that on page 174? Mine is from this year and also suggest using a booster, jump cables etc. So does my Pista, Lusso and 488 manual. Is what you posted what your manual says on page 174 where our manuals suggest the jump?

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