F8 or STO?

I am not a Lambo or McLaren guy. But I am very curious about these two cars. We will see when the things gets some tarmac time on the track. I am actually very interested to know what it will fare against the GT2/3RS and the 765 LT, and even more with the new upcoming GT3 and 3RS, as they are being talked abou the new thing to beat. As of now, we can only presume.

 

I haven’t seen any confirmation yet about the rose jointed suspension. There’s also an open question whether the -43kg includes the optional magnesium wheels (and how much of a savings they are over the base wheels). Surprised these details are missing from the STO product overview which is otherwise quite comprehensive.

 

Yes I've looked long and hard and I can't find anything covering any details that would matter much to me. Looks like just marketing blurb so far.....no meat on the bones. Im also very surprised there is no real info boasting about the types of changes that would really put it on some form of equal footing....such as rose jointing, weight of wheels over std wheels etc. It's all very vague with a lot of emphasis placed upon the physical showing and labeling rather than the quoting of things that will define the car over and above the competition.

So far we have some tweaking to the Magnaride to stiffen it all up another notch or two - not that it probably needs further stiffening - and a different steering rack which is being listed as a minus in the minus section of the car advice review. Desirably the increase in steering and handling sharpness would be coming from rose jointing and perhaps modified sways or something rather than overly stiffening the cars shocks and springs.

 

Shadow, these quotes were in the article you posted above. Perhaps, you missed them the first time around. Indeed, that entire article detailed why the STO is: will be a circuit-devouring weapon.

But Lamborghini’s engineers are prouder of the huge downforce the STO can produce. It doesn’t have active aerodynamic elements, but the combination of front elements, a sizeable diffuser and a manually adjustable rear wing can create up to 450kg at 280km/h, with a substantial amount of that figure available at the lower speeds the car is more likely to encounter on-track. For reference, the Performante made its peak 350kg at 310km/h.

The STO’s suspension is stiffer than that of any previous road-going Huracan, with firmer bushes, new anti-roll bars and recalibrated MagneRide active dampers.

The upgraded brakes are also worthy of praise, Lamborghini fitting motorsport-spec CCM-R carbon discs, which have four times the thermal conductivity of regular carbon-ceramics and offer 25 per cent more stopping power. These proved tireless under even the hardest use, and were soon turning what had felt like daring braking points into scaredy-cat ones. There is also a dashboard display to report on disc and brake fluid temperatures. Only the biggest stops turned these briefly from green to yellow.

 

I would agree there IS mention of brake upgrades - my apology although tbh I didn't really play on it because let's face it Lambo's brakes really do need a lot of upgrading anyway going by the pro reviews who all seem to report they fade so quickly. Users also reporting they burn out very quickly on circuit etc. But no details on the actual bushings .... I don't really count things that should have been there to begin with particularly when certain competitors have had these things addressed for a while. So for sure they are very light on the details imho - details that really do need mentioning on the basis of previous/past omissions.

I'm also not discounting whether it will indeed be circuit devouring - although yet to be seen. But again we need to see some comparisons there so to confirm the claim.

 

This is all well and awesome... in writing.... Let's see if it translates into the road and in practical application.

 

Exactly. And also let's see how it stacks up against the Yaris GR ....up a mountain pass.

 

Shadow, a pattern is emerging. First, with the 765LT, and now with the STO, you discount these cars prematurely. You problem identify everything that might potentially be wrong with the cars long before anyone has a chance to properly evaluate them. Not sure if you see it that way or not. Both of those cars are red hot for a reason, they are indisputably the best versions their respective platforms. Instead, of taking them for what they are, the logical end of the road, and ultimate incarnation, of a pure ICE supercar, you assume that they will disappoint.

 

I'm not discounting anything. And the only pattern forming is the calling out of obvious facts which are available to anyone who's been paying attention. I'm also not saying i'm NOT going to buy an STO or 765. Who knows what you may find pop up in my garage space?

Maybe it's because I'm just not as emotionally invested in these cars to where I'm unable to call or admit certain flaws as they come to light. But I certainly recognize the positives and, not just the negatives which I point out at times. Weighing up the good against bad is a rationalizing process I find interesting particularly from an engineering perspective and how that translates into goods which deliver better than the next offering.

Glossing over the cons may obviously be more popular amongst some, as is preserving the egos of those heavily invested emotionally with their future/and or existing purchase however, as unpopular as it can be, IMHO, there needs to be a balance when discussing these cars without certain individuals getting themselves all bent out of shape over the calling out of certain obvious deficiencies, flaws, or misgivings. That way everything is on the table - and this is a good thing which keeps it all as real (as possible) - under the circumstances lol.

 

I think the CCM-R brakes are the most impressive upgrade of the STO. It’s the same technology used on the Senna which isn’t cheap as evidenced by the significant cost upgrade if optioned on the 765LT.

Adding a big wing and diffuser is not really groundbreaking these days.... and in fact the STO stats aren’t that impressive compared with the GT BS which generates 800kgs of downforce at top speed.

Speaking of the GT BS, I think AMG showed a lot of restraint in aggressively marketing the true extent of the car’s transformation and is therefore not fully understood by the enthusiast public. I generally like AMG’s very German, no-nonsense approach so I’m not complaining. I even like that there there’s a very limited palette of colours to choose from and basically no cosmetic upgrades. It’s about go, not show. I just learned from the latest Shmee video that the car comes with a box of camber adjustment plates. It doesn’t get much more track-focused than that.

I’d love it if Lambo released something this technically detailed for us to geek out on.

https://media.mercedes-benz.ca/releases/release-97ed16fa779e41ce1c8368df0d0728c7-la-nouvelle-mercedes-amg-gt-black-series

Pity that it sounds like as$.

 

No kidding. Why does it have to sound like A$$? I mean, overall it’s a tour de force, why did they have to booger up the sound? I’m not sure how anyone could find it even remotely acceptable.

 

Good question and I wish I knew the answer. One would be inclined to blame the GPF’s but that cannot be the sole explanation. It sounds deliberately muted beyond what is necessary from a technical or compliance point of view. It’s also odd that the car was revealed and initially showcased in conservative silver rather than the exclusive Magmabeam orange.

 

Can anything be done to improve the sound?

 

Hopefully Renntech develops a full ‘track only’ system and tune with GPF-delete and 200 cel cats.

 

Question has been asked. My guy was away last week and said when he is back he will find out

 

How much will the STO be in the US?


May the Horse be with you

 

MSRP is $328k + freight + CGT.

 

With the holidays over I'm hoping my sales guy can get more information regarding AdP options/pricing and ETA when my car is expected to go into production. I hope there's no unexpected delays because the first customer deliveries are suppose to begin in June/July, I don't want to be taking delivery in Sept/Oct.

Speaking of delays...my Performante was an absolutely nightmare. The car was completed in July and was about to be air freighted but Lamborghini "forgot" to submit the docs to the EPA/CARB for MY19 certification. My car basically sat at the factory until Dec and was delivered about a week before Xmas.

 

Condor !!! - You need one - BADLY

 

Would be good to know what AdP stuff is available

 

Bro,

I have no doubt that you would be firmly in my camp for getting one.

At this stage I am getting more and more interested.

Also I like the sound of the RWD Evo. In the past when I have driven the Hurrican the front understeer and general feel was not enjoyable.

So I need to get some seat time in one of these.


May the Horse be with you

 

RWD totally different animal. Sound is incredible.

I plan on placing an order for a 2022 later this year. If it comes with GPF I’ll deal with it accordingly.

 

Haha, worth it right there for ya'.

For 90% of the driving I do, it'll be top down, brilliant sunshine and cruising around town. Like most folks here.....

Were it for the mountains, I'd probably sacrifice Spyder for coupe (a biggie) and go with AWD - a feature not available on the F8.

However I do appreciate good fight, and nuttin' like a running a RWD close to the edge. On some of those mountain stretches, there ain't a lotta room for error - almost none - it's driver beware. Like they say.....all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

I saw a very nice pre-owned Perf at the Lambo dealer on Saturday.....I could have some serious fun in that car!